Avihay's answer

[andrewbrown@bl...ch]

well,i can see that i get a direct attack from all the blueplanes family
so Andrew ,let me tell u something from a guy who lives in this "holy" 
area....


i allways voted for the leftwind since i know my self and until today i 
have
a radicl opinion about  nuture,peace or what ever u like but u know what
happened to all of us since 99,we have seen the real face of arafat and his
leadership,we have seen how he opened a war against us,how he stole and 
still
steeling money from his people directly to his bank acount and exept of 
becoming
rich his voice can't be herd and he's not relevant even to his own people
. the only power that controll the palastinians streets is the power 
ofvoilence
and yes,i'm sorry the say that but against people who wants to kill u the
only way to deel with them is by power. 

interesting fact u should know,right now all the palastinians groups r in
egypt to talk about  stoping the suicide bombing but u know what,they about
to end this egyption meeting with no result cause they don't wanna stop the
fighting. 

so my friend,do u have a solution to offer?  i gess not,but until u do 
please
let Sharon handle the situation until the palastinians will realize that
by force and killing they won't get anything. 

think about that..... 

Avihay 

 andrewbrown@bl...ch wrote: 

Avihay - if you don't like the way of life in the "holy" land perhaps you
should be a little more careful when you vote this time around. Electing
someone like Sharon was never going to be a guarantee of a quiet life.
Andrew
Violence is like drink
One's too many but a hundred's not enough
>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:36:16 -0800 (PST)
>From: avihay robin 
>Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] do u realy want to stop the war???
>To: blueplanes@st...net
>Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
>
>--0-359048926-1043447776=:58823
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>well,no dout u r a smart man and u have a way with words (i wish i could
>writer in english like u do ) but...u fail the read the facts my friend.
>1.tell me...when was the last time u where af raid to go on a bus,to sit
in
>a resterant or a pub or to just walk on a crouded street? this is what
we
>feel here in israel for the last 15 years or even more...so please don't
>talk to me about real fear when u have no idea what it means or how it 
>changes
>your life.
>un....come on ,if u call yourself a siries man u should know by now that
>the un is an old idea that become a bad joke,maybe u should get the 
>hottest
>movie from the un soldiers about how they didn't do anything (exept 
>filming
>it) when 3 israelis soldiers where kidnapt from the lebanon border after
>we went out from there,or maybe u wanna talk about how siria is a member
>in the defence comity in the un,that a good joke no,or u wanna talk about
> how Kadafy is now a member in the sivil rights in the un...r u sure u
want
>me to keep writting about the un?
>ok my friend,maybe it's time for u to learn something,when u sitting 
>around<
BR>>the table with yo ur anemy to make peace u give something and u take
back
> and like the other side ,they give something and they take back,we gave
>the palastiniens 97% of everything they asked and what we got back ? a 
>bloody
>terrorist war against civilians for more than 2 years,a war that ther 
>where
>well preperd for it by the command of arafat,this is u may call it "peace
>of the brave" tha arab way. we made peace with egept ,and yes we gave
>them back the land after they attacted us but since the last 20 years they
>isn't really peace between israel and egypt and the same with jordan,in
the
>early 90's we set down with asad willing to give the golan back ,he didn't
>even want to shake a hand....
>to learn and to understand about the middle east mentalety u have to work
>harder or to just come and leave among us for a while and not to sit at
home
>back in england.
>u wanna hear a true "joke",did u know that the pal astinias r blaming us
for
>the situation...and u know y? they say it all because we brouht arafat 
>back
>from tunisia.....think about that.
>i know it's kind of a sport to hate america back in england and all over
>europe,i'm not saying that the american way ist the right way but sometime
>u have to go deeper than the popular opinion and the last one to say 
>something
>against it is all the ex-empires-the europian countrys who still rich 
>after
>rubbing for centuaries the rest of rhe world.
>i'm afraid my friend that if u like it or not ,in this new war we r in the
>same side,the fanatic islam against the free world,the christians and the
>jews witch is really the same after "we gave u jesus" who was 100% a jew.
>so next time when u see an israeli tank insude palastinians citys remember
>that we have no other choise,no one to talk too and the result it: arafat
>is getting rich,the fanatics r on the top and the rest,the common isra 
>elis
>and palastin iand r suffering.
>Avihay
> Steve Upson wrote:
>hi all friendsloversplanes 
>while u all sitting and relaxing in your nice european houses (shity 
>weather
>though),there is some people in this lovely world off ours that suffers
badly
>from terrorist and from this old-new wave of islamic terrorist groups. 
>u can sit down with your famillies and watch in the c.n.n about all the
evol
>of this world that u may think happends far far from u...but it's not.
>nobody likes war and nobody likes to see death but sometime u have to 
>think
>a few steps forward and to do something before it will be too late and 
>before
>sadam will have a nuclear bomb that can reach london and bristoll or any
>other european city,so next time before u protest about something,sit down
>for a moment of deep thinking or if it is to hard for u ,u can allways 
>catch
>a plane to visit israel or ground 0 in ny . 
>nobody likes o r want wars but sometimes u have no choise to be sure to
open
>your eyes and mind ....... 
> "CULLUM, David" wrote: BODY { BACKGROUND-POSITION:
>left top; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat; 
>FONT-FAMILY:
>Frutiger 45 Light}'...the nuclear bomb is a blunt instrument in the hands
>of disturbed children playing for marbles...' Gerard Langley, 'Hard 
>Object',
>1979. Discuss ref. Dubya, Saddam & Phony Blair.... respect & peace to all
>friendsloversplanes 
>atb
>
> 
>
>David
>
>CULLUM
>
>MAIDeN Project Officer
>
>01452-426891
>
>MAIDeN Project
>
>Environment Department
>
>Shire Hall
>
>GLOUCESTER
>
>GL1 2TN
>
>
>
>
>
>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*
>{behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape {beh avior:url(#default#VML); }
>Clearly CNN has failed to broadcast any news over the last 30 years or so
>about the IRA, UVF, Real IRA (any flavour you like), Baader Meinhof, BSM
>etc.. Anyone who thinks that we in Europe are immune from or have never
seen
>terrorism at close hand is either 5 tears old or has been living in a 
>cave.
>
> 
>
>This could, of course, be indicative of the current isolationist attitude
>of Israel. Israel, of course, has had its fair share of atrocity over the
>years since the 6-day war and the Munich Olympics, of course, but what 
>Israel
>is doing to what small parts of Palestine that it has not misappropriated
>or annexed is totally contrary to World opinion. As is any suggestion of
>armed incursion into Iraq just to satisfy the political ambitions 
>(distract
>domestic attention away from a poor economy towards an unwarranted 
>punch-up
>in the middle-east) of a corrupt US President who justifies his actions
by
&g t;quoting The Old Testament and an ineffective but nevertheless 
ambitious
British
>Prime Minister who knows that his policy on Iraq in so much against UK 
>public
>opinion that he is now trying to deflect attention away from that in the
>hope that we, the public will consider public service reform to warrant
closer
>moral attention. 
>
> 
>
>Neither Bush nor Blair will be re-elected next term.
>
> 
>
>Sure, Saddam is an evil, corrupt and murdering bastard, but he and his 
>regime
>were being contained (apart from the fact that whilst he lives in 
>privileged
>luxury, his people live in relative deprived poverty). Why then change the
>status quo if nothing else has changed other than the name and political
>colour of the US president?
>
> 
>
>The answer, of course is money and political ambition, naked and blind.
>
> 
>
>Bush and Blair are per fect support for the vie w that anyone who wishes
to
>stand for political office should be automatically barred from doing so
because
>they clearly crave power and, as we all know, power corrupts.
>
> 
>
>The rhetoric that is being used by the Bush-Blair alliance makes it very
>clear that the UN inspections are nothing more than a charade. Saddam very
>probably has some very nasty toys, but the chances of finding any concrete
>proof are very slim, so what will happen is that the US will get impatient
>with Hans Blix, forcing an end to inspections. The UN will say that 
>nothing
>has been found, so no invasion is warranted or sanctioned by any UN 
>resolution.
>The USA will then say that as it is the largest financial contributor to
>the UN, it will cease contributions unless a new resolution is forced 
>through
>(it?s my ball and if you won?t play the game that I want to play, I?m 
>taking
>the ball home).
>
> >
>The cause of conflict is usually the ambition and greed of corrupt and 
>unimaginative
>people. Bush has the ambition to serve a second term, but lacks the 
>imagination
>to solve the USA?s economic and social problems at home. Blair is much the
>same. So they resort to conflict.
>
> 
>
>Israel steals land from a people whom it keeps imprisoned and subjugated.
>The UN has told Israel to stop this and to release annexed lands back to
>the Palestinian state, which it has failed to do, but because Israel has
>such a strong lobby within the US Senate and Congress and the US is the
self-appointed
>enforcer of the UN, nothing is done. Israel does this because it is not
content
>to make do with the lands that it was granted in 1948. Its actions are no
>more morally correct than the Iraqi invasion Kuwait. The difference is 
>that
>Israel is buddy-buddy with the playground bully and there is no oil 
>involved.
>
> 
>
>Lik e any bully, Israel considers only its own greed and wants and not the
>plight and suffering of the Palestinian people that it displaces. The 
>world,
>of course, has seen such travesties of justice and humanity before, 
>Zimbabwe,
>Uganda, Northern Ireland and, oh yes, Germany in the late 1930?s and early
>1940?s. 
>
> 
>
>The extension of Avihay Robin?s argument that ?before it will be too late
>and before sadam will have a nuclear bomb (sic)? is that everyone on the
>planet should be incarcerated because we all have the potential to commit
>murder, irrespective of whether any one individual has or not.
>
> 
>
>Saddam is not a direct and immediate threat to world peace. The USA is.
>
> 
>
>Steve Upson
>
> 
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• Subject: this is my answer
• From: avihay robin <aftertheflood_2000@ya...com>
• Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:55:02 -0800 (PST)

well,i can see that i get a direct attack from all the blueplanes family 
so Andrew ,let me tell u something from a guy who lives in this "holy" 
area....
i allways voted for the leftwind since i know my self and until today i 
have a radicl opinion about  nuture,peace or what ever u like but u know 
what happened to all of us since 99,we have seen the real face of arafat 
and his leadership,we have seen how he opened a war against us,how he 
stole and still steeling money from his people directly to his bank acount 
and exept of becoming rich his voice can't be herd and he's not relevant 
even to his own people . the only power that controll the palastinians 
streets is the power ofvoilence and yes,i'm sorry the say that but against 
people who wants to kill u the only way to deel with them is by power.
interesting fact u should know,right now all the palastinians groups r in 
egypt to talk about  stoping the suicide bombing but u know what,they 
about to end this egyption meeting with no result cause they don't wanna 
stop the fighting.
so my friend,do u have a solution to offer?  i gess not,but until u do 
please let Sharon handle the situation until the palastinians will realize 
that by force and killing they won't get anything.
think about that.....
Avihay
 andrewbrown@bl...ch wrote:Avihay - if you don't like the way of life in 
the "holy" land perhaps you
should be a little more careful when you vote this time around. Electing
someone like Sharon was never going to be a guarantee of a quiet life.

Andrew



Violence is like drink
One's too many but a hundred's not enough





>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:36:16 -0800 (PST)
>From: avihay robin 
>Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] do u realy want to stop the war???
>To: blueplanes@st...net
>Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
>
>--0-359048926-1043447776=:58823
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>well,no dout u r a smart man and u have a way with words (i wish i could
>writer in english like u do ) but...u fail the read the facts my friend.
>1.tell me...when was the last time u where afraid to go on a bus,to sit
in
>a resterant or a pub or to just walk on a crouded street? this is what
we
>feel here in israel for the last 15 years or even more...so please don't
>talk to me about real fear when u have no idea what it means or how it 
>changes
>your life.
>un....come on ,if u call yourself a siries man u should know by now that
>the un is an old idea that become a bad joke,maybe u should get the 
>hottest
>movie from the un soldiers about how they didn't do anything (exept 
>filming
>it) when 3 israelis soldiers where kidnapt from the lebanon border after
>we went out from there,or maybe u wanna talk about how siria is a member
>in the defence comity in the un,that a good joke no,or u wanna talk about
> how Kadafy is now a member in the sivil rights in the un...r u sure u
want
>me to keep writting about the un?
>ok my friend,maybe it's time for u to learn something,when u sitting 
>around
>the table with your anemy to make peace u give something and u take back
> and like the other side ,they give something and they take back,we gave
>the palastiniens 97% of everything they asked and what we got back ? a 
>bloody
>terrorist war against civilians for more than 2 years,a war that ther 
>where
>well preperd for it by the command of arafat,this is u may call it "peace
>of the brave" tha arab way. we made peace with egept ,and yes we gave
>them back the land after they attacted us but since the last 20 years they
>isn't really peace between israel and egypt and the same with jordan,in
the
>early 90's we set down with asad willing to give the golan back ,he didn't
>even want to shake a hand....
>to learn and to understand about the middle east mentalety u have to work
>harder or to just come and leave among us for a while and not to sit at
home
>back in england.
>u wanna hear a true "joke",did u know that the palastinias r blaming us
for
>the situation...and u know y? they say it all because we brouht arafat 
>back
>from tunisia.....think about that.
>i know it's kind of a sport to hate america back in england and all over
>europe,i'm not saying that the american way ist the right way but sometime
>u have to go deeper than the popular opinion and the last one to say 
>something
>against it is all the ex-empires-the europian countrys who still rich 
>after
>rubbing for centuaries the rest of rhe world.
>i'm afraid my friend that if u like it or not ,in this new war we r in the
>same side,the fanatic islam against the free world,the christians and the
>jews witch is really the same after "we gave u jesus" who was 100% a jew.
>so next time when u see an israeli tank insude palastinians citys remember
>that we have no other choise,no one to talk too and the result it: arafat
>is getting rich,the fanatics r on the top and the rest,the common israelis
>and palastiniand r suffering.
>Avihay
> Steve Upson wrote:
>hi all friendsloversplanes 
>while u all sitting and relaxing in your nice european houses (shity 
>weather
>though),there is some people in this lovely world off ours that suffers
badly
>from terrorist and from this old-new wave of islamic terrorist groups. 
>u can sit down with your famillies and watch in the c.n.n about all the
evol
>of this world that u may think happends far far from u...but it's not.

>nobody likes war and nobody likes to see death but sometime u have to 
>think
>a few steps forward and to do something before it will be too late and 
>before
>sadam will have a nuclear bomb that can reach london and bristoll or any
>other european city,so next time before u protest about something,sit down
>for a moment of deep thinking or if it is to hard for u ,u can allways 
>catch
>a plane to visit israel or ground 0 in ny. 
>nobody likes or want wars but sometimes u have no choise to be sure to 
>open
>your eyes and mind ....... 
> "CULLUM, David" wrote: BODY { BACKGROUND-POSITION:
>left top; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat; 
>FONT-FAMILY:
>Frutiger 45 Light}'...the nuclear bomb is a blunt instrument in the hands
>of disturbed children playing for marbles...' Gerard Langley, 'Hard 
>Object',
>1979. Discuss ref. Dubya, Saddam & Phony Blair.... respect & peace to all
>friendsloversplanes 
>atb
>
> 
>
>David
>
>CULLUM
>
>MAIDeN Project Officer
>
>01452-426891
>
>MAIDeN Project
>
>Environment Department
>
>Shire Hall
>
>GLOUCESTER
>
>GL1 2TN
>
>
>
>
>
>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:*
>{behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
>Clearly CNN has failed to broadcast any news over the last 30 years or so
>about the IRA, UVF, Real IRA (any flavour you like), Baader Meinhof, BSM
>etc.. Anyone who thinks that we in Europe are immune from or have never
seen
>terrorism at close hand is either 5 tears old or has been living in a 
>cave.
>
> 
>
>This could, of course, be indicative of the current isolationist attitude
>of Israel. Israel, of course, has had its fair share of atrocity over the
>years since the 6-day war and the Munich Olympics, of course, but what 
>Israel
>is doing to what small parts of Palestine that it has not misappropriated
>or annexed is totally contrary to World opinion. As is any suggestion of
>armed incursion into Iraq just to satisfy the political ambitions 
>(distract
>domestic attention away from a poor economy towards an unwarranted 
>punch-up
>in the middle-east) of a corrupt US President who justifies his actions
by
>quoting The Old Testament and an ineffective but nevertheless ambitious
British
>Prime Minister who knows that his policy on Iraq in so much against UK 
>public
>opinion that he is now trying to deflect attention away from that in the
>hope that we, the public will consider public service reform to warrant
closer
>moral attention. 
>
> 
>
>Neither Bush nor Blair will be re-elected next term.
>
> 
>
>Sure, Saddam is an evil, corrupt and murdering bastard, but he and his 
>regime
>were being contained (apart from the fact that whilst he lives in 
>privileged
>luxury, his people live in relative deprived poverty). Why then change the
>status quo if nothing else has changed other than the name and political
>colour of the US president?
>
> 
>
>The answer, of course is money and political ambition, naked and blind.
>
> 
>
>Bush and Blair are perfect support for the view that anyone who wishes to
>stand for political office should be automatically barred from doing so
because
>they clearly crave power and, as we all know, power corrupts.
>
> 
>
>The rhetoric that is being used by the Bush-Blair alliance makes it very
>clear that the UN inspections are nothing more than a charade. Saddam very
>probably has some very nasty toys, but the chances of finding any concrete
>proof are very slim, so what will happen is that the US will get impatient
>with Hans Blix, forcing an end to inspections. The UN will say that 
>nothing
>has been found, so no invasion is warranted or sanctioned by any UN 
>resolution.
>The USA will then say that as it is the largest financial contributor to
>the UN, it will cease contributions unless a new resolution is forced 
>through
>(it?s my ball and if you won?t play the game that I want to play, I?m 
>taking
>the ball home).
>
> 
>
>The cause of conflict is usually the ambition and greed of corrupt and 
>unimaginative
>people. Bush has the ambition to serve a second term, but lacks the 
>imagination
>to solve the USA?s economic and social problems at home. Blair is much the
>same. So they resort to conflict.
>
> 
>
>Israel steals land from a people whom it keeps imprisoned and subjugated.
>The UN has told Israel to stop this and to release annexed lands back to
>the Palestinian state, which it has failed to do, but because Israel has
>such a strong lobby within the US Senate and Congress and the US is the
self-appointed
>enforcer of the UN, nothing is done. Israel does this because it is not
content
>to make do with the lands that it was granted in 1948. Its actions are no
>more morally correct than the Iraqi invasion Kuwait. The difference is 
>that
>Israel is buddy-buddy with the playground bully and there is no oil 
>involved.
>
> 
>
>Like any bully, Israel considers only its own greed and wants and not the
>plight and suffering of the Palestinian people that it displaces. The 
>world,
>of course, has seen such travesties of justice and humanity before, 
>Zimbabwe,
>Uganda, Northern Ireland and, oh yes, Germany in the late 1930?s and early
>1940?s. 
>
> 
>
>The extension of Avihay Robin?s argument that ?before it will be too late
>and before sadam will have a nuclear bomb (sic)? is that everyone on the
>planet should be incarcerated because we all have the potential to commit
>murder, irrespective of whether any one individual has or not.
>
> 
>
>Saddam is not a direct and immediate threat to world peace. The USA is.
>
> 
>
>Steve Upson
>
> 

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