RE:avihay robin

[andrewbrown@bl...ch]

Avihay - if you don't like the way of life in the "holy" land perhaps you
should be a little more careful when you vote this time around. Electing
someone like Sharon was never going to be a guarantee of a quiet life.

Andrew



Violence is like drink
One's too many but a hundred's not enough





>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:36:16 -0800 (PST)
>From: avihay robin <aftertheflood_2000@ya...com>
>Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] do u realy want to stop the war???
>To: blueplanes@st...net
>Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
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>well,no dout u r a smart man and u have a way with words (i wish i could
>writer in english like u do ) but...u fail the read the facts my friend.
>1.tell me...when was the last time u where afraid to go on a bus,to sit
in
>a resterant or a pub or to just walk on a crouded street?  this is what
we
>feel here in israel for the last 15 years or even more...so please don't
>talk to me about real fear when u have no idea what it means or how it 
>changes
>your life.
>un....come on ,if u call yourself a siries man u should know by now that
>the un is an old idea that become a bad joke,maybe u should get the 
>hottest
>movie from the un soldiers about how they didn't do anything (exept 
>filming
>it) when 3 israelis soldiers where kidnapt  from the lebanon border after
>we went out from there,or maybe u wanna talk about how siria is a member
>in the defence comity in the un,that a good joke no,or u wanna talk about
> how Kadafy is now a member in  the sivil rights in the un...r u sure u
want
>me to keep writting about the un?
>ok my friend,maybe it's time for u to learn something,when u sitting 
>around
>the table with your anemy to make peace  u give something and u take back
> and like the other side ,they give something and they take back,we gave
>the palastiniens 97% of everything they asked and what we got back ? a 
>bloody
>terrorist war against civilians for more than 2 years,a war that ther 
>where
>well preperd for it by the command of arafat,this is u may call it "peace
>of the brave" tha arab way.    we made peace with egept ,and yes we gave
>them back the land after they attacted us but since the last 20 years they
>isn't really peace between israel and egypt and the same with jordan,in
the
>early 90's we set down with asad willing to give the golan  back ,he 
>didn't
>even want to shake a hand....
>to learn and to understand about the middle east mentalety u have to work
>harder or to just come and leave among us for a while and not to sit at
home
>back in england.
>u wanna hear a true "joke",did u know that the palastinias r blaming us
for
>the situation...and u know y? they say it all because we brouht arafat 
>back
>from tunisia.....think about that.
>i know it's kind of a sport to hate america back in england and all over
>europe,i'm not saying that the american way ist the right way but sometime
>u have to go deeper than the popular opinion and the last one to say 
>something
>against it is all the ex-empires-the europian countrys who still rich 
>after
>rubbing for centuaries the rest of rhe world.
>i'm afraid my friend that if u like it or not ,in this new war we r in the
>same side,the fanatic islam against the free world,the christians and the
>jews witch is really the same after "we gave u jesus" who was 100% a jew.
>so next time when u see an israeli tank insude palastinians citys remember
>that we have no other choise,no one to talk too and the result it: arafat
>is getting rich,the fanatics r on the top and the rest,the common israelis
>and palastiniand  r suffering.
>Avihay
> Steve Upson <s.upson@nt...com> wrote:
>hi all friendsloversplanes 
>while u  all sitting and relaxing in your nice european houses (shity 
>weather
>though),there is some people in this lovely world off ours that suffers
badly
>from terrorist and from this old-new wave of islamic terrorist groups. 
>u can sit down with your famillies and watch in the c.n.n about all the
evol
>of this world  that u may think happends far far from u...but it's not.

>nobody likes war and nobody likes to see death but sometime u have to 
>think
>a few steps forward and to do something before it will be too late and 
>before
>sadam will have a nuclear bomb that can reach london and bristoll or any
>other european city,so next time before u protest about something,sit down
>for a moment of deep thinking or if it is to hard for u ,u can allways 
>catch
>a plane to visit israel or ground 0 in ny. 
>nobody likes or want wars but sometimes u have no choise to be sure to 
>open
>your eyes and mind ....... 
> "CULLUM, David" <dcullum@gl...gov.uk> wrote: BODY {   
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>of disturbed children playing for marbles...' Gerard Langley, 'Hard 
>Object',
>1979. Discuss ref. Dubya, Saddam & Phony Blair.... respect & peace to all
>friendsloversplanes 
>atb
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> 
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>David
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>Clearly CNN has failed to broadcast any news over the last 30 years or so
>about the IRA, UVF, Real IRA (any flavour you like), Baader Meinhof, BSM
>etc.. Anyone who thinks that we in Europe are immune from or have never
seen
>terrorism at close hand is either 5 tears old or has been living in a 
>cave.
>
> 
>
>This could, of course, be indicative of the current isolationist attitude
>of Israel. Israel, of course, has had its fair share of atrocity over the
>years since the 6-day war and the Munich Olympics, of course, but what 
>Israel
>is doing to what small parts of Palestine that it has not misappropriated
>or annexed is totally contrary to World opinion. As is any suggestion of
>armed incursion into Iraq just to satisfy the political ambitions 
>(distract
>domestic attention away from a poor economy towards an unwarranted 
>punch-up
>in the middle-east) of a corrupt US President who justifies his actions
by
>quoting The Old Testament and an ineffective but nevertheless ambitious
British
>Prime Minister who knows that his policy on Iraq in so much against UK 
>public
>opinion that he is now trying to deflect attention away from that in the
>hope that we, the public will consider public service reform to warrant
closer
>moral attention. 
>
> 
>
>Neither Bush nor Blair will be re-elected next term.
>
> 
>
>Sure, Saddam is an evil, corrupt and murdering bastard, but he and his 
>regime
>were being contained (apart from the fact that whilst he lives in 
>privileged
>luxury, his people live in relative deprived poverty). Why then change the
>status quo if nothing else has changed other than the name and political
>colour of the US president?
>
> 
>
>The answer, of course is money and political ambition, naked and blind.
>
> 
>
>Bush and Blair are perfect support for the view that anyone who wishes to
>stand for political office should be automatically barred from doing so
because
>they clearly crave power and, as we all know, power corrupts.
>
> 
>
>The rhetoric that is being used by the Bush-Blair alliance makes it very
>clear that the UN inspections are nothing more than a charade. Saddam very
>probably has some very nasty toys, but the chances of finding any concrete
>proof are very slim, so what will happen is that the US will get impatient
>with Hans Blix, forcing an end to inspections. The UN will say that 
>nothing
>has been found, so no invasion is warranted or sanctioned by any UN 
>resolution.
>The USA will then say that as it is the largest financial contributor to
>the UN, it will cease contributions unless a new resolution is forced 
>through
>(it?s my ball and if you won?t play the game that I want to play, I?m 
>taking
>the ball home).
>
> 
>
>The cause of conflict is usually the ambition and greed of corrupt and 
>unimaginative
>people. Bush has the ambition to serve a second term, but lacks the 
>imagination
>to solve the USA?s economic and social problems at home. Blair is much the
>same. So they resort to conflict.
>
> 
>
>Israel steals land from a people whom it keeps imprisoned and subjugated.
>The UN has told Israel to stop this and to release annexed lands back to
>the Palestinian state, which it has failed to do, but because Israel has
>such a strong lobby within the US Senate and Congress and the US is the
self-appointed
>enforcer of the UN, nothing is done. Israel does this because it is not
content
>to make do with the lands that it was granted in 1948. Its actions are no
>more morally correct than the Iraqi invasion Kuwait. The difference is 
>that
>Israel is buddy-buddy with the playground bully and there is no oil 
>involved.
>
> 
>
>Like any bully, Israel considers only its own greed and wants and not the
>plight and suffering of the Palestinian people that it displaces. The 
>world,
>of course, has seen such travesties of justice and humanity before, 
>Zimbabwe,
>Uganda, Northern Ireland and, oh yes, Germany in the late 1930?s and early
>1940?s. 
>
> 
>
>The extension of Avihay Robin?s argument that ?before it will be too late
>and before sadam will have a nuclear bomb (sic)? is that everyone on the
>planet should be incarcerated because we all have the potential to commit
>murder, irrespective of whether any one individual has or not.
>
> 
>
>Saddam is not a direct and immediate threat to world peace. The USA is.
>
> 
>
>Steve Upson
>
> 

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