Re: do u realy want to stop the war???

["Howard Bishop" <latics@gl...co.uk>]

Avihay,

I lived in Belfast for a while, so I know what it is to live in fear. It 
is precisely because we understand and regret our imperialist past that we 
choose a road away from war. 
I don't hate America, but I hate greed and prejudice, wherever it appears, 
especially in Europe.

There is no new war unless you make one. There is no fanatic unless you 
give a man a cause to be a fanatic.

I wish you well in your quest for a peaceful home.

Howard

p.s. See you all in London on the 15th Feb. 'Planes against the war.
  1.tell me...when was the last time u where afraid to go on a bus,to sit 
in a resterant or a pub or to just walk on a crouded street?  this is what 
we feel here in israel for the last 15 years or even more...so please 
don't talk to me about real fear when u have no idea what it means or how 
it changes your life. 

  i know it's kind of a sport to hate america back in england and all over 
europe,i'm not saying that the american way ist the right way but sometime 
u have to go deeper than the popular opinion and the last one to say 
something against it is all the ex-empires-the europian countrys who still 
rich after rubbing for centuaries the rest of rhe world. 

  i'm afraid my friend that if u like it or not ,in this new war we r in 
the same side,the fanatic islam against the free world,the christians and 
the jews witch is really the same after "we gave u jesus" who was 100% a 
jew. 

  so next time when u see an israeli tank insude palastinians citys 
remember that we have no other choise,no one to talk too and the result 
it: arafat is getting rich,the fanatics r on the top and the rest,the 
common israelis and palastiniand  r suffering. 

  Avihay 

   Steve Upson <s.upson@nt...com> wrote: 

    hi all friendsloversplanes 

    while u  all sitting and relaxing in your nice european houses (shity 
weather though),there is some people in this lovely world off ours that 
suffers badly from terrorist and from this old-new wave of islamic 
terrorist groups. 

    u can sit down with your famillies and watch in the c.n.n about all 
the evol of this world  that u may think happends far far from u...but 
it's not. 

    nobody likes war and nobody likes to see death but sometime u have to 
think a few steps forward and to do something before it will be too late 
and before sadam will have a nuclear bomb that can reach london and 
bristoll or any other european city,so next time before u protest about 
something,sit down for a moment of deep thinking or if it is to hard for u 
,u can allways catch a plane to visit israel or ground 0 in ny. 

    nobody likes or want wars but sometimes u have no choise to be sure to 
open your eyes and mind ....... 

     "CULLUM, David" <dcullum@gl...gov.uk> wrote: 

      '...the nuclear bomb is a blunt instrument in the hands of disturbed 
children playing for marbles...' Gerard Langley, 'Hard Object', 1979. 
Discuss ref. Dubya, Saddam & Phony Blair....

      respect & peace to all friendsloversplanes

      atb



      David

      CULLUM

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      Clearly CNN has failed to broadcast any news over the last 30 years 
or so about the IRA, UVF, Real IRA (any flavour you like), Baader Meinhof, 
BSM etc.. Anyone who thinks that we in Europe are immune from or have 
never seen terrorism at close hand is either 5 tears old or has been 
living in a cave.

       

      This could, of course, be indicative of the current isolationist 
attitude of Israel. Israel, of course, has had its fair share of atrocity 
over the years since the 6-day war and the Munich Olympics, of course, but 
what Israel is doing to what small parts of Palestine that it has not 
misappropriated or annexed is totally contrary to World opinion. As is any 
suggestion of armed incursion into Iraq just to satisfy the political 
ambitions (distract domestic attention away from a poor economy towards an 
unwarranted punch-up in the middle-east) of a corrupt US President who 
justifies his actions by quoting The Old Testament and an ineffective but 
nevertheless ambitious British Prime Minister who knows that his policy on 
Iraq in so much against UK public opinion that he is now trying to deflect 
attention away from that in the hope that we, the public will consider 
public service reform to warrant closer moral attention. 

       

      Neither Bush nor Blair will be re-elected next term.

       

      Sure, Saddam is an evil, corrupt and murdering bastard, but he and 
his regime were being contained (apart from the fact that whilst he lives 
in privileged luxury, his people live in relative deprived poverty). Why 
then change the status quo if nothing else has changed other than the name 
and political colour of the US president?

       

      The answer, of course is money and political ambition, naked and 
blind.

       

      Bush and Blair are perfect support for the view that anyone who 
wishes to stand for political office should be automatically barred from 
doing so because they clearly crave power and, as we all know, power 
corrupts.

       

      The rhetoric that is being used by the Bush-Blair alliance makes it 
very clear that the UN inspections are nothing more than a charade. Saddam 
very probably has some very nasty toys, but the chances of finding any 
concrete proof are very slim, so what will happen is that the US will get 
impatient with Hans Blix, forcing an end to inspections. The UN will say 
that nothing has been found, so no invasion is warranted or sanctioned by 
any UN resolution. The USA will then say that as it is the largest 
financial contributor to the UN, it will cease contributions unless a new 
resolution is forced through (it's my ball and if you won't play the game 
that I want to play, I'm taking the ball home).

       

      The cause of conflict is usually the ambition and greed of corrupt 
and unimaginative people. Bush has the ambition to serve a second term, 
but lacks the imagination to solve the USA's economic and social problems 
at home. Blair is much the same. So they resort to conflict.

       

      Israel steals land from a people whom it keeps imprisoned and 
subjugated. The UN has told Israel to stop this and to release annexed 
lands back to the Palestinian state, which it has failed to do, but 
because Israel has such a strong lobby within the US Senate and Congress 
and the US is the self-appointed enforcer of the UN, nothing is done. 
Israel does this because it is not content to make do with the lands that 
it was granted in 1948. Its actions are no more morally correct than the 
Iraqi invasion Kuwait. The difference is that Israel is buddy-buddy with 
the playground bully and there is no oil involved.

       

      Like any bully, Israel considers only its own greed and wants and 
not the plight and suffering of the Palestinian people that it displaces. 
The world, of course, has seen such travesties of justice and humanity 
before, Zimbabwe, Uganda, Northern Ireland and, oh yes, Germany in the 
late 1930's and early 1940's. 

       

      The extension of Avihay Robin's argument that "before it will be too 
late and before sadam will have a nuclear bomb (sic)" is that everyone on 
the planet should be incarcerated because we all have the potential to 
commit murder, irrespective of whether any one individual has or not.

       

      Saddam is not a direct and immediate threat to world peace. The USA 
is.

       

      Steve Upson

       

       

       

       

      hi all friendsloversplanes 

      while u  all sitting and relaxing in your nice european houses 
(shity weather though),there is some people in this lovely world off ours 
that suffers badly from terrorist and from this old-new wave of islamic 
terrorist groups. 

      u can sit down with your famillies and watch in the c.n.n about all 
the evol of this world  that u may think happends far far from u...but 
it's not. 

      nobody likes war and nobody likes to see death but sometime u have 
to think a few steps forward and to do something before it will be too 
late and before sadam will have a nuclear bomb that can reach london and 
bristoll or any other european city,so next time before u protest about 
something,sit down for a moment of deep thinking or if it is to hard for u 
,u can allways catch a plane to visit israel or ground 0 in ny. 

      nobody likes or want wars but sometimes u have no choise to be sure 
to open your eyes and mind ....... 

       "CULLUM, David" <dcullum@gl...gov.uk> wrote: 

      '...the nuclear bomb is a blunt instrument in the hands of disturbed 
children playing for marbles...' Gerard Langley, 'Hard Object', 1979. 
Discuss ref. Dubya, Saddam & Phony Blair....

       

      respect & peace to all friendsloversplanes

       

      atb