RE: do u realy want to stop the war???

[avihay robin <aftertheflood_2000@ya...com>]

well,no dout u r a smart man and u have a way with words (i wish i could 
writer in english like u do ) but...u fail the read the facts my friend.
1.tell me...when was the last time u where afraid to go on a bus,to sit in 
a resterant or a pub or to just walk on a crouded street?  this is what we 
feel here in israel for the last 15 years or even more...so please don't 
talk to me about real fear when u have no idea what it means or how it 
changes your life.
un....come on ,if u call yourself a siries man u should know by now that 
the un is an old idea that become a bad joke,maybe u should get the 
hottest movie from the un soldiers about how they didn't do anything 
(exept filming it) when 3 israelis soldiers where kidnapt  from the 
lebanon border after we went out from there,or maybe u wanna talk about 
how siria is a member in the defence comity in the un,that a good joke 
no,or u wanna talk about  how Kadafy is now a member in  the sivil rights 
in the un...r u sure u want me to keep writting about the un?
ok my friend,maybe it's time for u to learn something,when u sitting 
around the table with your anemy to make peace  u give something and u 
take back  and like the other side ,they give something and they take 
back,we gave the palastiniens 97% of everything they asked and what we got 
back ? a bloody terrorist war against civilians for more than 2 years,a 
war that ther where well preperd for it by the command of arafat,this is u 
may call it "peace of the brave" tha arab way.    we made peace with egept 
,and yes we gave them back the land after they attacted us but since the 
last 20 years they isn't really peace between israel and egypt and the 
same with jordan,in the early 90's we set down with asad willing to give 
the golan  back ,he didn't even want to shake a hand....
to learn and to understand about the middle east mentalety u have to work 
harder or to just come and leave among us for a while and not to sit at 
home back in england.
u wanna hear a true "joke",did u know that the palastinias r blaming us 
for the situation...and u know y? they say it all because we brouht arafat 
back from tunisia.....think about that.
i know it's kind of a sport to hate america back in england and all over 
europe,i'm not saying that the american way ist the right way but sometime 
u have to go deeper than the popular opinion and the last one to say 
something against it is all the ex-empires-the europian countrys who still 
rich after rubbing for centuaries the rest of rhe world.
i'm afraid my friend that if u like it or not ,in this new war we r in the 
same side,the fanatic islam against the free world,the christians and the 
jews witch is really the same after "we gave u jesus" who was 100% a jew.
so next time when u see an israeli tank insude palastinians citys remember 
that we have no other choise,no one to talk too and the result it: arafat 
is getting rich,the fanatics r on the top and the rest,the common israelis 
and palastiniand  r suffering.
Avihay
 Steve Upson <s.upson@nt...com> wrote:
hi all friendsloversplanes 
while u  all sitting and relaxing in your nice european houses (shity 
weather though),there is some people in this lovely world off ours that 
suffers badly from terrorist and from this old-new wave of islamic 
terrorist groups. 
u can sit down with your famillies and watch in the c.n.n about all the 
evol of this world  that u may think happends far far from u...but it's 
not. 
nobody likes war and nobody likes to see death but sometime u have to 
think a few steps forward and to do something before it will be too late 
and before sadam will have a nuclear bomb that can reach london and 
bristoll or any other european city,so next time before u protest about 
something,sit down for a moment of deep thinking or if it is to hard for u 
,u can allways catch a plane to visit israel or ground 0 in ny. 
nobody likes or want wars but sometimes u have no choise to be sure to 
open your eyes and mind ....... 
 "CULLUM, David" <dcullum@gl...gov.uk> wrote: BODY {    
BACKGROUND-POSITION: left top; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; 
BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat; FONT-FAMILY: Frutiger 45 Light}'...the nuclear 
bomb is a blunt instrument in the hands of disturbed children playing for 
marbles...' Gerard Langley, 'Hard Object', 1979. Discuss ref. Dubya, 
Saddam & Phony Blair.... respect & peace to all friendsloversplanes 
atb

 

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Clearly CNN has failed to broadcast any news over the last 30 years or so 
about the IRA, UVF, Real IRA (any flavour you like), Baader Meinhof, BSM 
etc.. Anyone who thinks that we in Europe are immune from or have never 
seen terrorism at close hand is either 5 tears old or has been living in a 
cave.

 

This could, of course, be indicative of the current isolationist attitude 
of Israel. Israel, of course, has had its fair share of atrocity over the 
years since the 6-day war and the Munich Olympics, of course, but what 
Israel is doing to what small parts of Palestine that it has not 
misappropriated or annexed is totally contrary to World opinion. As is any 
suggestion of armed incursion into Iraq just to satisfy the political 
ambitions (distract domestic attention away from a poor economy towards an 
unwarranted punch-up in the middle-east) of a corrupt US President who 
justifies his actions by quoting The Old Testament and an ineffective but 
nevertheless ambitious British Prime Minister who knows that his policy on 
Iraq in so much against UK public opinion that he is now trying to deflect 
attention away from that in the hope that we, the public will consider 
public service reform to warrant closer moral attention. 

 

Neither Bush nor Blair will be re-elected next term.

 

Sure, Saddam is an evil, corrupt and murdering bastard, but he and his 
regime were being contained (apart from the fact that whilst he lives in 
privileged luxury, his people live in relative deprived poverty). Why then 
change the status quo if nothing else has changed other than the name and 
political colour of the US president?

 

The answer, of course is money and political ambition, naked and blind.

 

Bush and Blair are perfect support for the view that anyone who wishes to 
stand for political office should be automatically barred from doing so 
because they clearly crave power and, as we all know, power corrupts.

 

The rhetoric that is being used by the Bush-Blair alliance makes it very 
clear that the UN inspections are nothing more than a charade. Saddam very 
probably has some very nasty toys, but the chances of finding any concrete 
proof are very slim, so what will happen is that the US will get impatient 
with Hans Blix, forcing an end to inspections. The UN will say that 
nothing has been found, so no invasion is warranted or sanctioned by any 
UN resolution. The USA will then say that as it is the largest financial 
contributor to the UN, it will cease contributions unless a new resolution 
is forced through (it?s my ball and if you won?t play the game that I want 
to play, I?m taking the ball home).

 

The cause of conflict is usually the ambition and greed of corrupt and 
unimaginative people. Bush has the ambition to serve a second term, but 
lacks the imagination to solve the USA?s economic and social problems at 
home. Blair is much the same. So they resort to conflict.

 

Israel steals land from a people whom it keeps imprisoned and subjugated. 
The UN has told Israel to stop this and to release annexed lands back to 
the Palestinian state, which it has failed to do, but because Israel has 
such a strong lobby within the US Senate and Congress and the US is the 
self-appointed enforcer of the UN, nothing is done. Israel does this 
because it is not content to make do with the lands that it was granted in 
1948. Its actions are no more morally correct than the Iraqi invasion 
Kuwait. The difference is that Israel is buddy-buddy with the playground 
bully and there is no oil involved.

 

Like any bully, Israel considers only its own greed and wants and not the 
plight and suffering of the Palestinian people that it displaces. The 
world, of course, has seen such travesties of justice and humanity before, 
Zimbabwe, Uganda, Northern Ireland and, oh yes, Germany in the late 1930?s 
and early 1940?s. 

 

The extension of Avihay Robin?s argument that ?before it will be too late 
and before sadam will have a nuclear bomb (sic)? is that everyone on the 
planet should be incarcerated because we all have the potential to commit 
murder, irrespective of whether any one individual has or not.

 

Saddam is not a direct and immediate threat to world peace. The USA is.

 

Steve Upson

 

 

 

 

hi all friendsloversplanes 

while u  all sitting and relaxing in your nice european houses (shity 
weather though),there is some people in this lovely world off ours that 
suffers badly from terrorist and from this old-new wave of islamic 
terrorist groups. 

u can sit down with your famillies and watch in the c.n.n about all the 
evol of this world  that u may think happends far far from u...but it's 
not. 

nobody likes war and nobody likes to see death but sometime u have to 
think a few steps forward and to do something before it will be too late 
and before sadam will have a nuclear bomb that can reach london and 
bristoll or any other european city,so next time before u protest about 
something,sit down for a moment of deep thinking or if it is to hard for u 
,u can allways catch a plane to visit israel or ground 0 in ny. 

nobody likes or want wars but sometimes u have no choise to be sure to 
open your eyes and mind ....... 

 "CULLUM, David" <dcullum@gl...gov.uk> wrote: 

'...the nuclear bomb is a blunt instrument in the hands of disturbed 
children playing for marbles...' Gerard Langley, 'Hard Object', 1979. 
Discuss ref. Dubya, Saddam & Phony Blair....

 

respect & peace to all friendsloversplanes

 

atb

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: blueplanes-admin@st...net [mailto:blueplanes-admin@st...net]On 
Behalf Of avihay robin
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:59 PM
To: blueplanes@st...net
Subject: [Blueplanes] do u realy want to stop the war???

 

 



-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Degrauwe [mailto:hans.degrauwe@ad...be]
Sent: 06 January 2003 18:36
To: blueplanes@st...net
Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] (no subject)

Hi all, 

 

I must say I know all this, because I'm e real big Marillion-fan... 

I even paid for that record in advance (and my name is in the booklet of 
the limited edition album...)

Now they're trying to do the same thing all over again for the next album. 

One difference though... 

They're trying to raise enough money to pay all promotiom-stuff 
themselves.... 

This instead of one or another recordcompany.

They just asked their fans what they all think about the idea...

 

Hans.

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Steve Burt 


To: Blue Aeroplanes 

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:49 PM

Subject: [Blueplanes] (no subject)

 

Happy New Year all.

 

Did anyone read the Doors supplement in the Sunday Times this week, 
especially the Marillion article?

 

For those who didn't, it ran something like this:

 

The example of pomp rockers Marillion - not the hippest of bands - 
suggests a new business paradigm. Dropped by their record company for 
being unfashionable, the band had to cancel a US tour, until Jeff Woods, a 
fan from Raleigh, North Carolina, took matters into his own hands. Woods, 
who had been to 75 Marillion concerts, raised #37,000 online from other 
fans and the tour went ahead. Realising the power of the internet to build 
a like-minded artistic community, within months 13,000 fans had each paid 
Marillion #16 in advance - totalling more than #200,000 - which allowed 
the band to record their recent CD Anoraknophobia. Suddenly, Marillion had 
the biggest recording advance of their career and no record company to 
call their tune. 

"We were the first band to recognise the potential of the internet," said 
the singer Steve Hogarth. "We have cut out the middle men in suits, who 
have been taking most of our money for the past 20 years. What is so 
brilliant about the net is that we can ask 40,000 fans at the touch of a 
button what they think about a proposed release. It makes music incredibly 
democratic." 

Having sacked their manager and fired their booking agent - fans now book 
the shows - the band employ a full-time web editor to keep 
www.marillion.com up to date. He sits in the office next to their 
recording studio - a fan could not get much closer without being on stage 
- and band members visit the site's forum twice-weekly to contribute to 
the debate. 

"Sure, the net threatens the record industry," Hogarth said, "but it 
doesn't threaten the artist. It frees the artist." 

 

You can't say we didn't try with Swagger but an idea worth pursuing, maybe.

 

Steve B



 





 

 

 



 



 



 

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