Re: Avihay's answer

["Steve Iannetti" <iannettid@ho...com>]

So, How about those Blue Aeroplanes, eh ?

Enough politics.

Steve Iannetti
USA
----- Original Message -----
From: <andrewbrown@bl...ch>
To: <blueplanes@st...net>
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 2:31 AM
Subject: [Blueplanes] Avihay's answer


> well,i can see that i get a direct attack from all the blueplanes family
> so Andrew ,let me tell u something from a guy who lives in this "holy"
area....
>
>
> i allways voted for the leftwind since i know my self and until today i
have
> a radicl opinion about nuture,peace or what ever u like but u know what
> happened to all of us since 99,we have seen the real face of arafat and
his
> leadership,we have seen how he opened a war against us,how he stole and
still
> steeling money from his people directly to his bank acount and exept of
becoming
> rich his voice can't be herd and he's not relevant even to his own people
> . the only power that controll the palastinians streets is the power
ofvoilence
> and yes,i'm sorry the say that but against people who wants to kill u the
> only way to deel with them is by power.
>
> interesting fact u should know,right now all the palastinians groups r in
> egypt to talk about stoping the suicide bombing but u know what,they 
> about
> to end this egyption meeting with no result cause they don't wanna stop
the
> fighting.
>
> so my friend,do u have a solution to offer? i gess not,but until u do
please
> let Sharon handle the situation until the palastinians will realize that
> by force and killing they won't get anything.
>
> think about that.....
>
> Avihay
>
> andrewbrown@bl...ch wrote:
>
> Avihay - if you don't like the way of life in the "holy" land perhaps you
> should be a little more careful when you vote this time around. Electing
> someone like Sharon was never going to be a guarantee of a quiet life.
> Andrew
> Violence is like drink
> One's too many but a hundred's not enough
> >Message: 1
> >Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:36:16 -0800 (PST)
> >From: avihay robin
> >Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] do u realy want to stop the war???
> >To: blueplanes@st...net
> >Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
> >
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> >
> >
> >well,no dout u r a smart man and u have a way with words (i wish i could
> >writer in english like u do ) but...u fail the read the facts my friend.
> >1.tell me...when was the last time u where af raid to go on a bus,to sit
> in
> >a resterant or a pub or to just walk on a crouded street? this is what
> we
> >feel here in israel for the last 15 years or even more...so please don't
> >talk to me about real fear when u have no idea what it means or how it
changes
> >your life.
> >un....come on ,if u call yourself a siries man u should know by now that
> >the un is an old idea that become a bad joke,maybe u should get the
hottest
> >movie from the un soldiers about how they didn't do anything (exept
filming
> >it) when 3 israelis soldiers where kidnapt from the lebanon border after
> >we went out from there,or maybe u wanna talk about how siria is a member
> >in the defence comity in the un,that a good joke no,or u wanna talk 
> >about
> > how Kadafy is now a member in the sivil rights in the un...r u sure u
> want
> >me to keep writting about the un?
> >ok my friend,maybe it's time for u to learn something,when u sitting
around<
> BR>>the table with yo ur anemy to make peace u give something and u take
> back
> > and like the other side ,they give something and they take back,we gave
> >the palastiniens 97% of everything they asked and what we got back ? a
bloody
> >terrorist war against civilians for more than 2 years,a war that ther
where
> >well preperd for it by the command of arafat,this is u may call it 
> >"peace
> >of the brave" tha arab way. we made peace with egept ,and yes we gave
> >them back the land after they attacted us but since the last 20 years
they
> >isn't really peace between israel and egypt and the same with jordan,in
> the
> >early 90's we set down with asad willing to give the golan back ,he
didn't
> >even want to shake a hand....
> >to learn and to understand about the middle east mentalety u have to 
> >work
> >harder or to just come and leave among us for a while and not to sit at
> home
> >back in england.
> >u wanna hear a true "joke",did u know that the pal astinias r blaming us
> for
> >the situation...and u know y? they say it all because we brouht arafat
back
> >from tunisia.....think about that.
> >i know it's kind of a sport to hate america back in england and all over
> >europe,i'm not saying that the american way ist the right way but
sometime
> >u have to go deeper than the popular opinion and the last one to say
something
> >against it is all the ex-empires-the europian countrys who still rich
after
> >rubbing for centuaries the rest of rhe world.
> >i'm afraid my friend that if u like it or not ,in this new war we r in
the
> >same side,the fanatic islam against the free world,the christians and 
> >the
> >jews witch is really the same after "we gave u jesus" who was 100% a 
> >jew.
> >so next time when u see an israeli tank insude palastinians citys
remember
> >that we have no other choise,no one to talk too and the result it: 
> >arafat
> >is getting rich,the fanatics r on the top and the rest,the common isra
elis
> >and palastin iand r suffering.
> >Avihay
> > Steve Upson wrote:
> >hi all friendsloversplanes
> >while u all sitting and relaxing in your nice european houses (shity
weather
> >though),there is some people in this lovely world off ours that suffers
> badly
> >from terrorist and from this old-new wave of islamic terrorist groups.
> >u can sit down with your famillies and watch in the c.n.n about all the
> evol
> >of this world that u may think happends far far from u...but it's not.
> >nobody likes war and nobody likes to see death but sometime u have to
think
> >a few steps forward and to do something before it will be too late and
before
> >sadam will have a nuclear bomb that can reach london and bristoll or any
> >other european city,so next time before u protest about something,sit
down
> >for a moment of deep thinking or if it is to hard for u ,u can allways
catch
> >a plane to visit israel or ground 0 in ny .
> >nobody likes o r want wars but sometimes u have no choise to be sure to
> open
> >your eyes and mind .......
> > "CULLUM, David" wrote: BODY { BACKGROUND-POSITION:
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> >Frutiger 45 Light}'...the nuclear bomb is a blunt instrument in the 
> >hands
> >of disturbed children playing for marbles...' Gerard Langley, 'Hard
Object',
> >1979. Discuss ref. Dubya, Saddam & Phony Blair.... respect & peace to 
> >all
> >friendsloversplanes
> >atb
> >
> >
> >
> >David
> >
> >CULLUM
> >
> >MAIDeN Project Officer
> >
> >01452-426891
> >
> >MAIDeN Project
> >
> >Environment Department
> >
> >Shire Hall
> >
> >GLOUCESTER
> >
> >GL1 2TN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >Clearly CNN has failed to broadcast any news over the last 30 years or 
> >so
> >about the IRA, UVF, Real IRA (any flavour you like), Baader Meinhof, BSM
> >etc.. Anyone who thinks that we in Europe are immune from or have never
> seen
> >terrorism at close hand is either 5 tears old or has been living in a
cave.
> >
> >
> >
> >This could, of course, be indicative of the current isolationist 
> >attitude
> >of Israel. Israel, of course, has had its fair share of atrocity over 
> >the
> >years since the 6-day war and the Munich Olympics, of course, but what
Israel
> >is doing to what small parts of Palestine that it has not 
> >misappropriated
> >or annexed is totally contrary to World opinion. As is any suggestion of
> >armed incursion into Iraq just to satisfy the political ambitions
(distract
> >domestic attention away from a poor economy towards an unwarranted
punch-up
> >in the middle-east) of a corrupt US President who justifies his actions
> by
> &g t;quoting The Old Testament and an ineffective but nevertheless
ambitious
> British
> >Prime Minister who knows that his policy on Iraq in so much against UK
public
> >opinion that he is now trying to deflect attention away from that in the
> >hope that we, the public will consider public service reform to warrant
> closer
> >moral attention.
> >
> >
> >
> >Neither Bush nor Blair will be re-elected next term.
> >
> >
> >
> >Sure, Saddam is an evil, corrupt and murdering bastard, but he and his
regime
> >were being contained (apart from the fact that whilst he lives in
privileged
> >luxury, his people live in relative deprived poverty). Why then change
the
> >status quo if nothing else has changed other than the name and political
> >colour of the US president?
> >
> >
> >
> >The answer, of course is money and political ambition, naked and blind.
> >
> >
> >
> >Bush and Blair are per fect support for the vie w that anyone who wishes
> to
> >stand for political office should be automatically barred from doing so
> because
> >they clearly crave power and, as we all know, power corrupts.
> >
> >
> >
> >The rhetoric that is being used by the Bush-Blair alliance makes it very
> >clear that the UN inspections are nothing more than a charade. Saddam
very
> >probably has some very nasty toys, but the chances of finding any
concrete
> >proof are very slim, so what will happen is that the US will get
impatient
> >with Hans Blix, forcing an end to inspections. The UN will say that
nothing
> >has been found, so no invasion is warranted or sanctioned by any UN
resolution.
> >The USA will then say that as it is the largest financial contributor to
> >the UN, it will cease contributions unless a new resolution is forced
through
> >(it?s my ball and if you won?t play the game that I want to play, I?m
taking
> >the ball home).
> >
> > >
> >The cause of conflict is usually the ambition and greed of corrupt and
unimaginative
> >people. Bush has the ambition to serve a second term, but lacks the
imagination
> >to solve the USA?s economic and social problems at home. Blair is much
the
> >same. So they resort to conflict.
> >
> >
> >
> >Israel steals land from a people whom it keeps imprisoned and 
> >subjugated.
> >The UN has told Israel to stop this and to release annexed lands back to
> >the Palestinian state, which it has failed to do, but because Israel has
> >such a strong lobby within the US Senate and Congress and the US is the
> self-appointed
> >enforcer of the UN, nothing is done. Israel does this because it is not
> content
> >to make do with the lands that it was granted in 1948. Its actions are 
> >no
> >more morally correct than the Iraqi invasion Kuwait. The difference is
that
> >Israel is buddy-buddy with the playground bully and there is no oil
involved.
> >
> >
> >
> >Lik e any bully, Israel considers only its own greed and wants and not
the
> >plight and suffering of the Palestinian people that it displaces. The
world,
> >of course, has seen such travesties of justice and humanity before,
Zimbabwe,
> >Uganda, Northern Ireland and, oh yes, Germany in the late 1930?s and
early
> >1940?s.
> >
> >
> >
> >The extension of Avihay Robin?s argument that ?before it will be too 
> >late
> >and before sadam will have a nuclear bomb (sic)? is that everyone on the
> >planet should be incarcerated because we all have the potential to 
> >commit
> >murder, irrespective of whether any one individual has or not.
> >
> >
> >
> >Saddam is not a direct and immediate threat to world peace. The USA is.
> >
> >
> >
> >Steve Upson
> >
> >
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