80s, Cavaliers

[suzzell at wsgfl.org.uk (suzzell)]

Yes, I saw them in Bristol a couple of times around then,
Trev. Did they play the whole thing, in sequence ? I don't
recall the details...ever.

Disc 2 really is shoddy ! What a mistake it was, packaging
wise. The Cavaliers part is quite unlike anything they've
ever done before or since. I was already a massive fan by
that point, but when it came out, I was blown away. I
thought it would herald a bold new era. Looks like it was
more of a frazzled, one-off mutation, which is good enough,
I suppose. 

Steve.


----- Original Message -----
From: Trevor <boyds56 at tiscali.co.uk>
To: A Discussion list for The Blue Aeroplanes
<blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org>
Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] 80s, Cavaliers
Date: 09-Jun-2007 14:22:15 +0100

> I agree with you about Cavaleirs Steve - an underrated
> masterpiece.   It suffered a bit by being a double cd - if
> it had just been   Cavaleirs plus a couple of other tracks
> it would have been really   cool - just too many odds and
> ends thrown in - b sides and stuff -   which took the
> shine off the main event somewhat.
> 
> Did you see them perform it on that tour? Awesome.
> 
> Trev
> 
> 
> On 9 Jun 2007, at 10:46, suzzell wrote:
> 
> > The seventies as the most diverse period of music the
> > World has ever seen ? I find that rather baffling. It
> > just comes down to matters of tastes in the end.
> > Personally, I think the 80s are severely under-rated and
> > much more influential as a decade, when you consider the
> > Smiths, REM, Talking Heads, Pixies. But that's probably
> > because I grew up listening to Road to Nowhere and not
> All The Young Dudes. >
> > But what I really wanted to discuss was the sheer
> > brilliance of Cavaliers, the Aeroplanes undisputed
> > masterpiece, I reckon. The stinging guitar, the crunch,
> > that moment in track 3 when he says, 'Orson Welles...see
> > what they think.' It's pure pyschedelic punk, a world
> > away from the smooth edges of Swagger and Beatsongs, and
> > all the better for it. It puts me in mind of Julian
> > Cope's Peggy Suicicde/Jehovakill, the Fall, Sonic Youth,
> > Fairport Convention...
> >
> > One thing, can anybody explain the Civil War references
> > to me ? I mean, I know the history (well, a bit). But is
> > their a conceptual narrative in the the song cycle that
> > I'm missing ? Does anyone have the lyrcis available ?
> >
> > Have a good weekend everyone,
> >
> > Steve.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "gordon" <dwilhelmi at tiscali.co.uk>
> > To: <john at creativeict.co.uk>, "A Discussion list for The
> > Blue Aeroplanes" <blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org>
> > Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] Harvester
> > Date: 09-Jun-2007 01:53:49 +0100
> >
> >>   Now that IS harsh.
> >>   The Seventies music scene represented just about the
> >> most diverse period in popular music the World has ever
> >> seen.
> >>   Even taking into account the availability of 'World
> >> Music' today, a lot of the rest of the one paced
> wonders >> doing the rounds now are a sad immitation of
> the real >> thing. Even Gerard, I'm sure, doffs a
> respectful hat now >> and again to the wonderful
> experimentation of the time. >>   Even the record
> companies had a vague inkling of the >> spirit.
> >>   Was it all good ?
> >>   Of course not.
> >>   But very little of it was dodgy by comparison with
> some >> of the sh*t we are fed today.
> >>   'Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Old Oak Tree' versus
> >> saturday night panel wonders and boy band reunions (
> fer >> chrissakes ! ) perhaps.
> >>   The underground was truly that, and what didn't suit
> the >> next generation of tostesterone fuelled museos
> spawned the >> counter revolution within the same decade,
> in '77, surely. >>
> >>   Ho Hum....
> >>
> >>   G
> >>
> >>   PS  Sorry I called you Shirley.
> >>
> >>
> >>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>   From: <john at creativeict.co.uk>
> >>   To: "'A Discussion list for The Blue Aeroplanes'"
> >> <blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org>
> >>   Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:01 PM
> >>   Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] Harvester
> >>
> >>
> >>> I think what it proves above all else is that the
> >> seventies was full of
> >>> dodgy bands and even dodgier songwriting.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: blueplanes-bounces at blueaeroplanes.org
> >>> [mailto:blueplanes-bounces at blueaeroplanes.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Phill Merchant
> >>> Sent: 07 June 2007 11:26
> >>> To: blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] Harvester
> >>>
> >>> I also believe the comments to be harsh but, having
> >> not actually heard the
> >>> album yet, probably from a more theoretical point of
> >> view.
> >>> Aren't all cover versions (debatably) worse than the
> >> originals, in the same
> >>> way that all movie adaptations are worse than the
> >> original book? Well, your
> >>> position probably depends on which you were exposed to
> >> first, and whether
> >>> you really liked it. You want examples? I loved the
> >> Blue Aeroplanes' version
> >>>
> >>> of "Sweet Jane", but had not heard the Velvets version
> >> at that time. I
> >>> played it to a friend who loved the Velvets in an
> >> attempt to introduce him
> >>> to the Aeroplanes and he hated it. Probably put him
> >> off Gerard & co for
> >>> life. Following the same rule I loved Aeroplanes
> >> versions of "Big Sky", "I
> >>> Wanna Be Your Lover", "Breaking In My Heart", but was
> >> left cold by "Bad Moon
> >>>
> >>> Rising" and "The Boy In The Bubble". The exception to
> >> the rule is where the
> >>> cover version is dramatically different to the
> >> original - but, in general,
> >>> Blue Aeroplanes covers have not been this - usually
> >> turning out to be
> >>> stripped-down versions of the originals, with maybe a
> >> couple more guitars
> >>> and Gerard's inimitable delivery.
> >>> What I want to know (especially as I am not familiar
> >> with most of the
> >>> original versions) is - is there a departure from this
> >> trend with the covers
> >>>
> >>> on this album? What does someone unfamiliar with the
> >> originals think? If
> >>> Gerard had written all the songs would this be a great
> >> album? Why aren't I
> >>> hard at work instead of writing this....? Ooops.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Phill...........
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Rockerq at aol.com
> >>>> Reply-To: A Discussion list for The Blue
> >>>> Aeroplanes<blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org>
> >>>> To: blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] Harvester
> >>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:58:24 EDT
> >>>>
> >>>>> <<I can only conclude that EMI are planning that
> >> having heard these
> >>>>> versions we'll all go on to iTunes and download at
> >> the new special price
> >>>
> >>>> of 99p (for
> >>>>> tracks that aren't quite as ridiculously
> >> compressed as before) the whole
> >>>>> caboodle by the original artists.
> >>>>> Surely every track on the new album sounds worse
> >> than the original?
> >>>> What is
> >>>>> going on?>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Bit harsh there mate.
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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