80s, Cavaliers

[boyds56 at tiscali.co.uk (Trevor)]

I agree with you about Cavaleirs Steve - an underrated masterpiece.  
It suffered a bit by being a double cd - if it had just been  
Cavaleirs plus a couple of other tracks it would have been really  
cool - just too many odds and ends thrown in - b sides and stuff -  
which took the shine off the main event somewhat.

Did you see them perform it on that tour? Awesome.

Trev


On 9 Jun 2007, at 10:46, suzzell wrote:

> The seventies as the most diverse period of music the World
> has ever seen ? I find that rather baffling. It just comes
> down to matters of tastes in the end. Personally, I think
> the 80s are severely under-rated and much more influential
> as a decade, when you consider the Smiths, REM, Talking
> Heads, Pixies. But that's probably because I grew up
> listening to Road to Nowhere and not All The Young Dudes.
>
> But what I really wanted to discuss was the sheer brilliance
> of Cavaliers, the Aeroplanes undisputed masterpiece, I
> reckon. The stinging guitar, the crunch, that moment in
> track 3 when he says, 'Orson Welles...see what they think.'
> It's pure pyschedelic punk, a world away from the smooth
> edges of Swagger and Beatsongs, and all the better for it.
> It puts me in mind of Julian Cope's Peggy
> Suicicde/Jehovakill, the Fall, Sonic Youth, Fairport
> Convention...
>
> One thing, can anybody explain the Civil War references to
> me ? I mean, I know the history (well, a bit). But is their
> a conceptual narrative in the the song cycle that I'm
> missing ? Does anyone have the lyrcis available ?
>
> Have a good weekend everyone,
>
> Steve.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gordon" <dwilhelmi at tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <john at creativeict.co.uk>, "A Discussion list for The
> Blue Aeroplanes" <blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org>
> Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] Harvester
> Date: 09-Jun-2007 01:53:49 +0100
>
>>   Now that IS harsh.
>>   The Seventies music scene represented just about the
>> most diverse period in popular music the World has ever
>> seen.
>>   Even taking into account the availability of 'World
>> Music' today, a lot of the rest of the one paced wonders
>> doing the rounds now are a sad immitation of the real
>> thing. Even Gerard, I'm sure, doffs a respectful hat now
>> and again to the wonderful experimentation of the time.
>>   Even the record companies had a vague inkling of the
>> spirit.
>>   Was it all good ?
>>   Of course not.
>>   But very little of it was dodgy by comparison with some
>> of the sh*t we are fed today.
>>   'Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Old Oak Tree' versus
>> saturday night panel wonders and boy band reunions ( fer
>> chrissakes ! ) perhaps.
>>   The underground was truly that, and what didn't suit the
>> next generation of tostesterone fuelled museos spawned the
>> counter revolution within the same decade, in '77, surely.
>>
>>   Ho Hum....
>>
>>   G
>>
>>   PS  Sorry I called you Shirley.
>>
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: <john at creativeict.co.uk>
>>   To: "'A Discussion list for The Blue Aeroplanes'"
>> <blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org>
>>   Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:01 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] Harvester
>>
>>
>>> I think what it proves above all else is that the
>> seventies was full of
>>> dodgy bands and even dodgier songwriting.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blueplanes-bounces at blueaeroplanes.org
>>> [mailto:blueplanes-bounces at blueaeroplanes.org] On
>> Behalf Of Phill Merchant
>>> Sent: 07 June 2007 11:26
>>> To: blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org
>>> Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] Harvester
>>>
>>> I also believe the comments to be harsh but, having
>> not actually heard the
>>> album yet, probably from a more theoretical point of
>> view.
>>> Aren't all cover versions (debatably) worse than the
>> originals, in the same
>>> way that all movie adaptations are worse than the
>> original book? Well, your
>>> position probably depends on which you were exposed to
>> first, and whether
>>> you really liked it. You want examples? I loved the
>> Blue Aeroplanes' version
>>>
>>> of "Sweet Jane", but had not heard the Velvets version
>> at that time. I
>>> played it to a friend who loved the Velvets in an
>> attempt to introduce him
>>> to the Aeroplanes and he hated it. Probably put him
>> off Gerard & co for
>>> life. Following the same rule I loved Aeroplanes
>> versions of "Big Sky", "I
>>> Wanna Be Your Lover", "Breaking In My Heart", but was
>> left cold by "Bad Moon
>>>
>>> Rising" and "The Boy In The Bubble". The exception to
>> the rule is where the
>>> cover version is dramatically different to the
>> original - but, in general,
>>> Blue Aeroplanes covers have not been this - usually
>> turning out to be
>>> stripped-down versions of the originals, with maybe a
>> couple more guitars
>>> and Gerard's inimitable delivery.
>>> What I want to know (especially as I am not familiar
>> with most of the
>>> original versions) is - is there a departure from this
>> trend with the covers
>>>
>>> on this album? What does someone unfamiliar with the
>> originals think? If
>>> Gerard had written all the songs would this be a great
>> album? Why aren't I
>>> hard at work instead of writing this....? Ooops.
>>>
>>>
>> Phill...........
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Rockerq at aol.com
>>>> Reply-To: A Discussion list for The Blue
>>>> Aeroplanes<blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org>
>>>> To: blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] Harvester
>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:58:24 EDT
>>>>
>>>>> <<I can only conclude that EMI are planning that
>> having heard these
>>>>> versions we'll all go on to iTunes and download at
>> the new special price
>>>
>>>> of 99p (for
>>>>> tracks that aren't quite as ridiculously
>> compressed as before) the whole
>>>>> caboodle by the original artists.
>>>>> Surely every track on the new album sounds worse
>> than the original?
>>>> What is
>>>>> going on?>>
>>>>>
>>>> Bit harsh there mate.
>>>>>
>>>
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