80s, Cavaliers

[boyds56 at tiscali.co.uk (Trevor)]

yes they did Steve - I saw them at The Borderline in London and also  
in Cambridge and they played the whole thing Parts 1-12 in sequence.   
It was great.  Some weird moments though - they had this geezer (Joff  
lowson?) who played banjo and there was a banjo intro to And Stones  
rather than Angelo's guitar pyrothechnics - WTF?!

Trev


On 9 Jun 2007, at 13:30, suzzell wrote:

> Yes, I saw them in Bristol a couple of times around then,
> Trev. Did they play the whole thing, in sequence ? I don't
> recall the details...ever.
>
> Disc 2 really is shoddy ! What a mistake it was, packaging
> wise. The Cavaliers part is quite unlike anything they've
> ever done before or since. I was already a massive fan by
> that point, but when it came out, I was blown away. I
> thought it would herald a bold new era. Looks like it was
> more of a frazzled, one-off mutation, which is good enough,
> I suppose.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Trevor <boyds56 at tiscali.co.uk>
> To: A Discussion list for The Blue Aeroplanes
> <blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org>
> Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] 80s, Cavaliers
> Date: 09-Jun-2007 14:22:15 +0100
>
>> I agree with you about Cavaleirs Steve - an underrated
>> masterpiece.   It suffered a bit by being a double cd - if
>> it had just been   Cavaleirs plus a couple of other tracks
>> it would have been really   cool - just too many odds and
>> ends thrown in - b sides and stuff -   which took the
>> shine off the main event somewhat.
>>
>> Did you see them perform it on that tour? Awesome.
>>
>> Trev
>>
>>
>> On 9 Jun 2007, at 10:46, suzzell wrote:
>>
>>> The seventies as the most diverse period of music the
>>> World has ever seen ? I find that rather baffling. It
>>> just comes down to matters of tastes in the end.
>>> Personally, I think the 80s are severely under-rated and
>>> much more influential as a decade, when you consider the
>>> Smiths, REM, Talking Heads, Pixies. But that's probably
>>> because I grew up listening to Road to Nowhere and not
>> All The Young Dudes. >
>>> But what I really wanted to discuss was the sheer
>>> brilliance of Cavaliers, the Aeroplanes undisputed
>>> masterpiece, I reckon. The stinging guitar, the crunch,
>>> that moment in track 3 when he says, 'Orson Welles...see
>>> what they think.' It's pure pyschedelic punk, a world
>>> away from the smooth edges of Swagger and Beatsongs, and
>>> all the better for it. It puts me in mind of Julian
>>> Cope's Peggy Suicicde/Jehovakill, the Fall, Sonic Youth,
>>> Fairport Convention...
>>>
>>> One thing, can anybody explain the Civil War references
>>> to me ? I mean, I know the history (well, a bit). But is
>>> their a conceptual narrative in the the song cycle that
>>> I'm missing ? Does anyone have the lyrcis available ?
>>>
>>> Have a good weekend everyone,
>>>
>>> Steve.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "gordon" <dwilhelmi at tiscali.co.uk>
>>> To: <john at creativeict.co.uk>, "A Discussion list for The
>>> Blue Aeroplanes" <blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] Harvester
>>> Date: 09-Jun-2007 01:53:49 +0100
>>>
>>>>   Now that IS harsh.
>>>>   The Seventies music scene represented just about the
>>>> most diverse period in popular music the World has ever
>>>> seen.
>>>>   Even taking into account the availability of 'World
>>>> Music' today, a lot of the rest of the one paced
>> wonders >> doing the rounds now are a sad immitation of
>> the real >> thing. Even Gerard, I'm sure, doffs a
>> respectful hat now >> and again to the wonderful
>> experimentation of the time. >>   Even the record
>> companies had a vague inkling of the >> spirit.
>>>>   Was it all good ?
>>>>   Of course not.
>>>>   But very little of it was dodgy by comparison with
>> some >> of the sh*t we are fed today.
>>>>   'Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Old Oak Tree' versus
>>>> saturday night panel wonders and boy band reunions (
>> fer >> chrissakes ! ) perhaps.
>>>>   The underground was truly that, and what didn't suit
>> the >> next generation of tostesterone fuelled museos
>> spawned the >> counter revolution within the same decade,
>> in '77, surely. >>
>>>>   Ho Hum....
>>>>
>>>>   G
>>>>
>>>>   PS  Sorry I called you Shirley.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>   From: <john at creativeict.co.uk>
>>>>   To: "'A Discussion list for The Blue Aeroplanes'"
>>>> <blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org>
>>>>   Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 12:01 PM
>>>>   Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] Harvester
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I think what it proves above all else is that the
>>>> seventies was full of
>>>>> dodgy bands and even dodgier songwriting.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blueplanes-bounces at blueaeroplanes.org
>>>>> [mailto:blueplanes-bounces at blueaeroplanes.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Phill Merchant
>>>>> Sent: 07 June 2007 11:26
>>>>> To: blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] Harvester
>>>>>
>>>>> I also believe the comments to be harsh but, having
>>>> not actually heard the
>>>>> album yet, probably from a more theoretical point of
>>>> view.
>>>>> Aren't all cover versions (debatably) worse than the
>>>> originals, in the same
>>>>> way that all movie adaptations are worse than the
>>>> original book? Well, your
>>>>> position probably depends on which you were exposed to
>>>> first, and whether
>>>>> you really liked it. You want examples? I loved the
>>>> Blue Aeroplanes' version
>>>>>
>>>>> of "Sweet Jane", but had not heard the Velvets version
>>>> at that time. I
>>>>> played it to a friend who loved the Velvets in an
>>>> attempt to introduce him
>>>>> to the Aeroplanes and he hated it. Probably put him
>>>> off Gerard & co for
>>>>> life. Following the same rule I loved Aeroplanes
>>>> versions of "Big Sky", "I
>>>>> Wanna Be Your Lover", "Breaking In My Heart", but was
>>>> left cold by "Bad Moon
>>>>>
>>>>> Rising" and "The Boy In The Bubble". The exception to
>>>> the rule is where the
>>>>> cover version is dramatically different to the
>>>> original - but, in general,
>>>>> Blue Aeroplanes covers have not been this - usually
>>>> turning out to be
>>>>> stripped-down versions of the originals, with maybe a
>>>> couple more guitars
>>>>> and Gerard's inimitable delivery.
>>>>> What I want to know (especially as I am not familiar
>>>> with most of the
>>>>> original versions) is - is there a departure from this
>>>> trend with the covers
>>>>>
>>>>> on this album? What does someone unfamiliar with the
>>>> originals think? If
>>>>> Gerard had written all the songs would this be a great
>>>> album? Why aren't I
>>>>> hard at work instead of writing this....? Ooops.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Phill...........
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Rockerq at aol.com
>>>>>> Reply-To: A Discussion list for The Blue
>>>>>> Aeroplanes<blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org>
>>>>>> To: blueplanes at blueaeroplanes.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BluePlanes] Harvester
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:58:24 EDT
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <<I can only conclude that EMI are planning that
>>>> having heard these
>>>>>>> versions we'll all go on to iTunes and download at
>>>> the new special price
>>>>>
>>>>>> of 99p (for
>>>>>>> tracks that aren't quite as ridiculously
>>>> compressed as before) the whole
>>>>>>> caboodle by the original artists.
>>>>>>> Surely every track on the new album sounds worse
>>>> than the original?
>>>>>> What is
>>>>>>> going on?>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bit harsh there mate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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