Re: rods redux, john l (you are loved)

[gareth james <gtbcomps@ya...co.uk>]

On swagger deluxe it seems this error has been corrected and J langley is 
credited, squeezed in after gerald and rod and before alex
gtb

Nick White <magichats@ya...co.uk> wrote: That's G Langley, I should have 
said.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nick White" 
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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] rods redux, john l (you are loved)


> It's a shame John didn't get a writing credit on You are loved, then. 
> It's credited as Langley/Allen/Lee.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Helm" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:02 AM
> Subject: [Blueplanes] rods redux, john l (you are loved)
>
>
>> all-- i really appreciate the thoughtful commentary.  as to 
>> rodney--jeeze, i hate to beat a dead horse, but i don't think there's 
>> any 
>> basis for saying anything less than he's an excellent songwriter and 
>> singer.  and an indispensible aeroplane.  if you have a better body of 
>> work yourself, please step up.  if not, well....
>>
>> remember--gerard writes little of the music.  yes--his lyrics are 
>> brilliant and he IS the aeroplanes for all intents and purposes.  but 
>> his 
>> best work (and indeed his great strength) is in collaboration with 
>> others. name your favorite aeros song and it's almost a certainty that 
>> someone else wrote a fair bit (if not all) of the tune.  i personally 
>> like greard very much...but there's a reason the aeroplanes have had so 
>> many line-up changes over the years.  you do the math.
>>
>> back to the tunes... one of my personal faves is 'you are loved. ' 
>> here's a cool little story on that one:  i was actually staying with 
>> john 
>> and his girlfriend jane for a short visit while the group i was in at 
>> the 
>> time opened for a bunch of UK aeros dates. i remember him playing me 
>> the 
>> riff on an old acoustic guitar he had.  he had just written it. 
>> yes--the big guitar line that opens the song is john's.  we had all 
>> been 
>> listening to a lot of the pixies at the time (remember, gil norton 
>> produced them, too); and that riff was john's take on a pixies-esque 
>> line. anyway, nice memory...   i know i promised some fotos--i'll scan 
>> a 
>> bunch soon.  from a ways back during the swagger and beatsongs tours.
>>
>> cheers,
>> mark
>>
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>>>    3. Harbourside gig (Roger Shepherd)
>>>    4. Re: Harbourside gig (Abi Marchant)
>>>    5. Re: John-0 (gareth james)
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>>>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:59:55 -0700
>>>From: "Mark Helm" 
>>>Subject: [Blueplanes] John-0
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>>>All-- So, what?  iS jOHN BACK IN THE AEROPLANES??  I've been outta the 
>>>loop.
>>>   He's an old pal, but we lost touch since he was in WQittness...
>>>MH
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>>> >    1. RE: john langley (and rod, jane and freddy) (Nigel Mackerras)
>>> >    2. RE: john langley (and rod, jane and freddy) (ger053@ab...ac.uk)
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>>> >Message: 1
>>> >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:19:37 +0100
>>> >From: "Nigel Mackerras" 
>>> >Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] john langley (and rod, jane and freddy)
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>>> >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:32:03 +0100 (BST)
>>> >From: ger053@ab...ac.uk
>>> >Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] john langley (and rod, jane and freddy)
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>>> >Agree. The flaw on Beatsongs is the missing Langley.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > 
>>> > > Sorry Mark, but I gotta agree with Nev. It's not that Rod's songs
>>>are
>>> > > that bad, it's that he has a good backing vocals voice, not a lead
>>> >vocals
>>> > > voice. Maybe more weird instrumentals could break up the albums. 
>>> > > 

>>> > > Then again, my favourite BA's guitarist is Nick Jacobs. Aaaah the
>>> > > feedback! 

>>> > > John Langley's drumming is inspirational (i.e. it's 
>>> > > his fault
>>> >that
>>> > > I play drums ), and it's not the Aeros without him and Gerard.
>>>But
>>> >I
>>> > > can't imagine them without Wotjek even though I know such gigs have
>>> > > occured.

>>> > > Nigel (aPhil on the inside)

>>> > > 
friends-- i'm glad we all agree on something: 
>>> > > john
>>> > > langley is the 
>greatest rock drummer alive.  the
>>>only
>>> > > drummer who had people lining 
>up to hear his
>>> > > soundchecks.  and a sweet guy.
>
>as for the
>>> > > less-than-nice things said about
>>>rods:  please.  how
>>> > > many 
>songs have you
>>> > > written?!
>
>cheers,
>
>mark
>>> > > helm




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>>>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:09:57 +0100
>>>From: "Nick White" 
>>>Subject: [Blueplanes] Rodney
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>>>Don't forget that Rodney also co-wrote songs that he didn't sing:
>>>
>>>Your ages
>>>Anti-pretty
>>>A map below
>>>Broken & mended
>>>Honey I
>>>You are loved
>>>Cardboard box
>>>Jack leaves/back spring
>>>
>>>All fine songs, are they not?
>>>
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>>>   From: Nigel Mackerras
>>>   To: blueplanes@st...net
>>>   Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:19 PM
>>>   Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] john langley (and rod, jane and freddy)
>>>
>>>
>>>   Sorry Mark, but I gotta agree with Nev. It's not that Rod's songs 
>>> are 
>>> that bad, it's that he has a good backing vocals voice, not a lead 
>>> vocals voice. Maybe more weird instrumentals could break up the albums.
>>>
>>>   Then again, my favourite BA's guitarist is Nick Jacobs. Aaaah the 
>>> feedback!
>>>
>>>   John Langley's drumming is inspirational (i.e. it's his fault that I 
>>> play drums ), and it's not the Aeros without him and Gerard. But I 
>>> can't 
>>> imagine them without Wotjek even though I know such gigs have occured.
>>>
>>>   Nigel (aPhil on the inside)
>>>
>>>
>>>   friends-- i'm glad we all agree on something: john langley is the
>>>   >greatest rock drummer alive.  the only drummer who had people lining
>>>   >up to hear his soundchecks.  and a sweet guy.
>>>   >
>>>   >as for the less-than-nice things said about rods:  please.  how many
>>>   >songs have you written?!
>>>   >
>>>   >cheers,
>>>   >
>>>   >mark helm
>>>
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>>>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:36:32 +0100
>>>From: "Roger Shepherd" 
>>>Subject: [Blueplanes] Harbourside gig
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>>>I was sorting out some photos this evening when I found one I took
>>>at the Harbourside gig. Seeing it reminded me that I thought I
>>>saw Rodney backstage during the gig and I was fully expecting
>>>him to join the gang for BIMH. Oh well.
>>>
>>>In case you you want to see the picture have a look at:
>>>
>>>http://bloggershepherd.blogspot.com/2006/09/flying-back-to-summer.html
>>>
>>>Roger
>>>--
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>>>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:45:17 +0100 (BST)
>>>From: Abi Marchant 
>>>Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] Harbourside gig
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>>>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:11:09 +0100 (BST)
>>>From: gareth james 
>>>Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] John-0
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>>>Well he did most if the drumming on 'altitude' (sadly not Raise the 
>>>roof, 
>>>would that have had the kick it did live than the wimpy effort we hear 
>>>on 
>>>CD if he did?) and did all the recent gigs, and, if I remember from 
>>>earlier emails the live members of recent gigs are the new 'planes for 
>>>the next immanent album, so that'll be a yes.
>>>   John is back.
>>>   Thank the Lord!
>>>   gtb
>>>
>>>
>>>Mark Helm  wrote:
>>>
>>>All-- So, what? iS jOHN BACK IN THE AEROPLANES?? I've been outta the 
>>>loop.
>>>He's an old pal, but we lost touch since he was in WQittness...
>>>MH
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>>> > 2. RE: john langley (and rod, jane and freddy) (ger053@ab...ac.uk)
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>>> >Message: 1
>>> >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:19:37 +0100
>>> >From: "Nigel Mackerras"
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>>> >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:32:03 +0100 (BST)
>>> >From: ger053@ab...ac.uk
>>> >Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] john langley (and rod, jane and freddy)
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>>> >Agree. The flaw on Beatsongs is the missing Langley.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > >   Sorry Mark, but I gotta agree with Nev. It's not that Rod's songs
>>>are
>>> > > that bad, it's that he has a good backing vocals voice, not a lead
>>> >vocals
>>> > > voice. Maybe more weird instrumentals could break up the albums.
>>>
>>> > >   Then again, my favourite BA's guitarist is Nick Jacobs. Aaaah the
>>> > > feedback!
>>>
>>> > >   John Langley's drumming is inspirational (i.e. it's his fault
>>> >that
>>> > > I play drums ), and it's not the Aeros without him and Gerard. But
>>> >I
>>> > > can't imagine them without Wotjek even though I know such gigs have
>>> > > occured.
>>>
>>> > >   Nigel (aPhil on the inside)
>>>
>>> > >
>>> > > tahoma,sans-serif">friends-- i'm glad we all agree on something: 
>>> > > john
>>> > > langley is the
>>> >greatest rock drummer alive.  the only
>>> > > drummer who had people lining
>>> >up to hear his
>>> > > soundchecks.  and a sweet guy.
>>> >
>>> >as for the
>>> > > less-than-nice things said about rods:  please.  how
>>> > > many
>>> >songs have you
>>> > > written?!
>>> >
>>> >cheers,
>>> >
>>> >mark
>>> > > helm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:57:32 +0000
>>>From: "Paul Vallis" 

>>>Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] Rodney
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>>>I think he wrote the tunes to those.  I remember Gerard saying once 
>>>that 
>>>the
>>>monster riff of Broken and Mended is Rodney's.  For what its worth, I'm 
>>>on
>>>the "yea" side for Rodney.  Top songsmith.
>>>
>>>PV1
>>>
>>>
>>>From: "Nick White" 
>>>Reply-To: The Blue Aeroplanes Mailing List 
>>>To: "The Blue Aeroplanes Mailing List" 
>>>Subject: [Blueplanes] Rodney
>>>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:09:57 +0100
>>>
>>>Don't forget that Rodney also co-wrote songs that he didn't sing:
>>>
>>>Your ages
>>>Anti-pretty
>>>A map below
>>>Broken & mended
>>>Honey I
>>>You are loved
>>>Cardboard box
>>>Jack leaves/back spring
>>>
>>>All fine songs, are they not?
>>>
>>>NW1or2
>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>    From: Nigel Mackerras
>>>    To: blueplanes@st...net
>>>    Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:19 PM
>>>    Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] john langley (and rod, jane and freddy)
>>>
>>>
>>>    Sorry Mark, but I gotta agree with Nev. It's not that Rod's songs 
>>> are
>>>that bad, it's that he has a good backing vocals voice, not a lead 
>>>vocals
>>>voice. Maybe more weird instrumentals could break up the albums.
>>>
>>>    Then again, my favourite BA's guitarist is Nick Jacobs. Aaaah the
>>>feedback!
>>>
>>>    John Langley's drumming is inspirational (i.e. it's his fault that 
>>> I 
>>> play
>>>drums ), and it's not the Aeros without him and Gerard. But I can't 
>>>imagine
>>>them without Wotjek even though I know such gigs have occured.
>>>
>>>    Nigel (aPhil on the inside)
>>>
>>>
>>>    friends-- i'm glad we all agree on something: john langley is the
>>>    >greatest rock drummer alive.  the only drummer who had people 
>>> lining
>>>    >up to hear his soundchecks.  and a sweet guy.
>>>    >
>>>    >as for the less-than-nice things said about rods:  please.  how 
>>> many
>>>    >songs have you written?!
>>>    >
>>>    >cheers,
>>>    >
>>>    >mark helm
>>>
>>>
>>>
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