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Re: rods redux, john l (you are loved)

  • Subject: Re: rods redux, john l (you are loved)
  • From: "Nick White" <magichats@ya...co.uk>
  • Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 09:24:59 +0100
It's a shame John didn't get a writing credit on You are loved, then. It's credited as Langley/Allen/Lee.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Helm" <markwhelm@ho...com> 
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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:02 AM
Subject: [Blueplanes] rods redux, john l (you are loved)
all-- i really appreciate the thoughtful commentary. as to rodney--jeeze, i hate to beat a dead horse, but i don't think there's any basis for saying anything less than he's an excellent songwriter and singer. and an indispensible aeroplane. if you have a better body of work yourself, please step up. if not, well....
remember--gerard writes little of the music. yes--his lyrics are brilliant and he IS the aeroplanes for all intents and purposes. but his best work (and indeed his great strength) is in collaboration with others. name your favorite aeros song and it's almost a certainty that someone else wrote a fair bit (if not all) of the tune. i personally like greard very much...but there's a reason the aeroplanes have had so many line-up changes over the years. you do the math.
back to the tunes... one of my personal faves is 'you are loved. ' here's a cool little story on that one: i was actually staying with john and his girlfriend jane for a short visit while the group i was in at the time opened for a bunch of UK aeros dates. i remember him playing me the riff on an old acoustic guitar he had. he had just written it. yes--the big guitar line that opens the song is john's. we had all been listening to a lot of the pixies at the time (remember, gil norton produced them, too); and that riff was john's take on a pixies-esque line. anyway, nice memory... i know i promised some fotos--i'll scan a bunch soon. from a ways back during the swagger and beatsongs tours. 

cheers,
mark


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Today's Topics:

   1. John-0 (Mark Helm)
   2. Rodney (Nick White)
   3. Harbourside gig (Roger Shepherd)
   4. Re: Harbourside gig (Abi Marchant)
   5. Re: John-0 (gareth james)
   6. RE: Rodney (Paul Vallis)


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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 12:59:55 -0700
From: "Mark Helm" <markwhelm@ho...com>
Subject: [Blueplanes] John-0
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All-- So, what? iS jOHN BACK IN THE AEROPLANES?? I've been outta the loop. 
  He's an old pal, but we lost touch since he was in WQittness...
MH

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>Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:19:37 +0100
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>Agree. The flaw on Beatsongs is the missing Langley.
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> > <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>
> > <P>Sorry Mark, but I gotta agree with Nev. It's not that Rod's songs
are
> > that bad, it's that he has a good backing vocals voice, not a lead
>vocals
> > voice. Maybe more weird instrumentals could break up the albums. </P>
> > <P>Then again, my favourite BA's guitarist is Nick Jacobs. Aaaah the
> > feedback! </P>
> > <P>John Langley's drumming is inspirational (i.e. it's his&nbsp;fault
>that
> > I play drums&nbsp;), and it's not the Aeros without him and Gerard.
But
>I
> > can't imagine them without Wotjek even though I know such gigs have
> > occured.</P>
> > <P>Nigel (aPhil on the inside)</P>
> > <P><BR><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY:
> > tahoma,sans-serif">friends-- i'm glad we all agree on something: john
> > langley is the <BR>&gt;greatest rock drummer alive.&nbsp;&nbsp;the
only
> > drummer who had people lining <BR>&gt;up to hear his
> > soundchecks.&nbsp;&nbsp;and a sweet guy.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;as for the
> > less-than-nice things said about
rods:&nbsp;&nbsp;please.&nbsp;&nbsp;how
> > many <BR>&gt;songs have you
> > written?!<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;cheers,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;mark
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:09:57 +0100
From: "Nick White" <magichats@ya...co.uk>
Subject: [Blueplanes] Rodney
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Don't forget that Rodney also co-wrote songs that he didn't sing:

Your ages
Anti-pretty
A map below
Broken & mended
Honey I
You are loved
Cardboard box
Jack leaves/back spring

All fine songs, are they not?

NW1or2
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  Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:19 PM
  Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] john langley (and rod, jane and freddy)
Sorry Mark, but I gotta agree with Nev. It's not that Rod's songs are that bad, it's that he has a good backing vocals voice, not a lead vocals voice. Maybe more weird instrumentals could break up the albums.
Then again, my favourite BA's guitarist is Nick Jacobs. Aaaah the feedback!
John Langley's drumming is inspirational (i.e. it's his fault that I play drums ), and it's not the Aeros without him and Gerard. But I can't imagine them without Wotjek even though I know such gigs have occured. 

  Nigel (aPhil on the inside)


  friends-- i'm glad we all agree on something: john langley is the
  >greatest rock drummer alive.  the only drummer who had people lining
  >up to hear his soundchecks.  and a sweet guy.
  >
  >as for the less-than-nice things said about rods:  please.  how many
  >songs have you written?!
  >
  >cheers,
  >
  >mark helm




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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:36:32 +0100
From: "Roger Shepherd" <rog@rc...net>
Subject: [Blueplanes] Harbourside gig
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I was sorting out some photos this evening when I found one I took
at the Harbourside gig. Seeing it reminded me that I thought I
saw Rodney backstage during the gig and I was fully expecting
him to join the gang for BIMH. Oh well.

In case you you want to see the picture have a look at:

http://bloggershepherd.blogspot.com/2006/09/flying-back-to-summer.html

Roger
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:45:17 +0100 (BST)
From: Abi Marchant <abi_blue_planes@ya...co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] Harbourside gig
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:11:09 +0100 (BST)
From: gareth james <gtbcomps@ya...co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] John-0
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Well he did most if the drumming on 'altitude' (sadly not Raise the roof, would that have had the kick it did live than the wimpy effort we hear on CD if he did?) and did all the recent gigs, and, if I remember from earlier emails the live members of recent gigs are the new 'planes for the next immanent album, so that'll be a yes. 
  John is back.
  Thank the Lord!
  gtb


Mark Helm <markwhelm@ho...com> wrote:

All-- So, what? iS jOHN BACK IN THE AEROPLANES?? I've been outta the loop.
He's an old pal, but we lost touch since he was in WQittness...
MH

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>Agree. The flaw on Beatsongs is the missing Langley.
>
>
> >
> >   Sorry Mark, but I gotta agree with Nev. It's not that Rod's songs
are
> > that bad, it's that he has a good backing vocals voice, not a lead
>vocals
> > voice. Maybe more weird instrumentals could break up the albums.

> >   Then again, my favourite BA's guitarist is Nick Jacobs. Aaaah the
> > feedback!

> >   John Langley's drumming is inspirational (i.e. it's his fault
>that
> > I play drums ), and it's not the Aeros without him and Gerard. But
>I
> > can't imagine them without Wotjek even though I know such gigs have
> > occured.

> >   Nigel (aPhil on the inside)

> >
> > tahoma,sans-serif">friends-- i'm glad we all agree on something: john
> > langley is the
>greatest rock drummer alive.  the only
> > drummer who had people lining
>up to hear his
> > soundchecks.  and a sweet guy.
>
>as for the
> > less-than-nice things said about rods:  please.  how
> > many
>songs have you
> > written?!
>
>cheers,
>
>mark
> > helm




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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:57:32 +0000
From: "Paul Vallis" <paulvallis@ho...com>
Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] Rodney
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I think he wrote the tunes to those. I remember Gerard saying once that the 
monster riff of Broken and Mended is Rodney's.  For what its worth, I'm on
the "yea" side for Rodney.  Top songsmith.

PV1


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Subject: [Blueplanes] Rodney
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:09:57 +0100

Don't forget that Rodney also co-wrote songs that he didn't sing:

Your ages
Anti-pretty
A map below
Broken & mended
Honey I
You are loved
Cardboard box
Jack leaves/back spring

All fine songs, are they not?

NW1or2
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   To: blueplanes@st...net
   Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:19 PM
   Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] john langley (and rod, jane and freddy)


   Sorry Mark, but I gotta agree with Nev. It's not that Rod's songs are
that bad, it's that he has a good backing vocals voice, not a lead vocals
voice. Maybe more weird instrumentals could break up the albums.

   Then again, my favourite BA's guitarist is Nick Jacobs. Aaaah the
feedback!
John Langley's drumming is inspirational (i.e. it's his fault that I play drums ), and it's not the Aeros without him and Gerard. But I can't imagine 
them without Wotjek even though I know such gigs have occured.

   Nigel (aPhil on the inside)


   friends-- i'm glad we all agree on something: john langley is the
   >greatest rock drummer alive.  the only drummer who had people lining
   >up to hear his soundchecks.  and a sweet guy.
   >
   >as for the less-than-nice things said about rods:  please.  how many
   >songs have you written?!
   >
   >cheers,
   >
   >mark helm




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