rods redux, john l (you are loved)

["Mark Helm" <markwhelm@ho...com>]

all-- i really appreciate the thoughtful commentary.  as to rodney--jeeze, i 
hate to beat a dead horse, but i don't think there's any basis for saying 
anything less than he's an excellent songwriter and singer.  and an 
indispensible aeroplane.  if you have a better body of work yourself, please 
step up.  if not, well....
remember--gerard writes little of the music.  yes--his lyrics are brilliant 
and he IS the aeroplanes for all intents and purposes.  but his best work 
(and indeed his great strength) is in collaboration with others.  name your 
favorite aeros song and it's almost a certainty that someone else wrote a 
fair bit (if not all) of the tune.  i personally like greard very much...but 
there's a reason the aeroplanes have had so many line-up changes over the 
years.  you do the math.
back to the tunes... one of my personal faves is 'you are loved. '  here's a 
cool little story on that one:  i was actually staying with john and his 
girlfriend jane for a short visit while the group i was in at the time 
opened for a bunch of UK aeros dates. i remember him playing me the riff on 
an old acoustic guitar he had.  he had just written it.   yes--the big 
guitar line that opens the song is john's.  we had all been listening to a 
lot of the pixies at the time (remember, gil norton produced them, too); and 
that riff was john's take on a pixies-esque line. anyway, nice memory...   i 
know i promised some fotos--i'll scan a bunch soon.  from a ways back during 
the swagger and beatsongs tours.
cheers,
mark

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> All-- So, what?  iS jOHN BACK IN THE AEROPLANES??  I've been outta the 
> loop.
>   He's an old pal, but we lost touch since he was in WQittness...
> MH
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> >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:19:37 +0100
> >From: "Nigel Mackerras" <nigelmackerras@ho...com>
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> >Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:32:03 +0100 (BST)
> >From: ger053@ab...ac.uk
> >Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] john langley (and rod, jane and freddy)
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> >Agree. The flaw on Beatsongs is the missing Langley.
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> > > <P>Sorry Mark, but I gotta agree with Nev. It's not that Rod's songs 
> are
> > > that bad, it's that he has a good backing vocals voice, not a lead
> >vocals
> > > voice. Maybe more weird instrumentals could break up the albums. </P>
> > > <P>Then again, my favourite BA's guitarist is Nick Jacobs. Aaaah the
> > > feedback! </P>
> > > <P>John Langley's drumming is inspirational (i.e. it's his&nbsp;fault
> >that
> > > I play drums&nbsp;), and it's not the Aeros without him and Gerard. 
> But
> >I
> > > can't imagine them without Wotjek even though I know such gigs have
> > > occured.</P>
> > > <P>Nigel (aPhil on the inside)</P>
> > > <P><BR><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-FAMILY:
> > > tahoma,sans-serif">friends-- i'm glad we all agree on something: john
> > > langley is the <BR>&gt;greatest rock drummer alive.&nbsp;&nbsp;the 
> only
> > > drummer who had people lining <BR>&gt;up to hear his
> > > soundchecks.&nbsp;&nbsp;and a sweet guy.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;as for the
> > > less-than-nice things said about 
> rods:&nbsp;&nbsp;please.&nbsp;&nbsp;how
> > > many <BR>&gt;songs have you
> > > written?!<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;cheers,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;mark
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> From: "Nick White" <magichats@ya...co.uk>
> Subject: [Blueplanes] Rodney
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> Don't forget that Rodney also co-wrote songs that he didn't sing:
>
> Your ages
> Anti-pretty
> A map below
> Broken & mended
> Honey I
> You are loved
> Cardboard box
> Jack leaves/back spring
>
> All fine songs, are they not?
>
> NW1or2
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>   From: Nigel Mackerras
>   To: blueplanes@st...net
>   Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:19 PM
>   Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] john langley (and rod, jane and freddy)
>
>
>   Sorry Mark, but I gotta agree with Nev. It's not that Rod's songs are 
> that bad, it's that he has a good backing vocals voice, not a lead vocals 
> voice. Maybe more weird instrumentals could break up the albums.
>   Then again, my favourite BA's guitarist is Nick Jacobs. Aaaah the 
> feedback!
>   John Langley's drumming is inspirational (i.e. it's his fault that I 
> play drums ), and it's not the Aeros without him and Gerard. But I can't 
> imagine them without Wotjek even though I know such gigs have occured.
>   Nigel (aPhil on the inside)
>
>
>   friends-- i'm glad we all agree on something: john langley is the
>   >greatest rock drummer alive.  the only drummer who had people lining
>   >up to hear his soundchecks.  and a sweet guy.
>   >
>   >as for the less-than-nice things said about rods:  please.  how many
>   >songs have you written?!
>   >
>   >cheers,
>   >
>   >mark helm
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> From: "Roger Shepherd" <rog@rc...net>
> Subject: [Blueplanes] Harbourside gig
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> I was sorting out some photos this evening when I found one I took
> at the Harbourside gig. Seeing it reminded me that I thought I
> saw Rodney backstage during the gig and I was fully expecting
> him to join the gang for BIMH. Oh well.
>
> In case you you want to see the picture have a look at:
>
> http://bloggershepherd.blogspot.com/2006/09/flying-back-to-summer.html
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> Well he did most if the drumming on 'altitude' (sadly not Raise the roof, 
> would that have had the kick it did live than the wimpy effort we hear on 
> CD if he did?) and did all the recent gigs, and, if I remember from earlier 
> emails the live members of recent gigs are the new 'planes for the next 
> immanent album, so that'll be a yes.
>   John is back.
>   Thank the Lord!
>   gtb
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> Mark Helm <markwhelm@ho...com> wrote:
>
> All-- So, what? iS jOHN BACK IN THE AEROPLANES?? I've been outta the loop.
> He's an old pal, but we lost touch since he was in WQittness...
> MH
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> >Agree. The flaw on Beatsongs is the missing Langley.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >   Sorry Mark, but I gotta agree with Nev. It's not that Rod's songs 
> are
> > > that bad, it's that he has a good backing vocals voice, not a lead
> >vocals
> > > voice. Maybe more weird instrumentals could break up the albums.
>
> > >   Then again, my favourite BA's guitarist is Nick Jacobs. Aaaah the
> > > feedback!
>
> > >   John Langley's drumming is inspirational (i.e. it's his fault
> >that
> > > I play drums ), and it's not the Aeros without him and Gerard. But
> >I
> > > can't imagine them without Wotjek even though I know such gigs have
> > > occured.
>
> > >   Nigel (aPhil on the inside)
>
> > >
> > > tahoma,sans-serif">friends-- i'm glad we all agree on something: john
> > > langley is the
> >greatest rock drummer alive.  the only
> > > drummer who had people lining
> >up to hear his
> > > soundchecks.  and a sweet guy.
> >
> >as for the
> > > less-than-nice things said about rods:  please.  how
> > > many
> >songs have you
> > > written?!
> >
> >cheers,
> >
> >mark
> > > helm
>
>
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> From: "Paul Vallis" <paulvallis@ho...com>
> Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] Rodney
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> I think he wrote the tunes to those.  I remember Gerard saying once that 
> the
> monster riff of Broken and Mended is Rodney's.  For what its worth, I'm on
> the "yea" side for Rodney.  Top songsmith.
>
> PV1
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> From: "Nick White" <magichats@ya...co.uk>
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> Subject: [Blueplanes] Rodney
> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:09:57 +0100
>
> Don't forget that Rodney also co-wrote songs that he didn't sing:
>
> Your ages
> Anti-pretty
> A map below
> Broken & mended
> Honey I
> You are loved
> Cardboard box
> Jack leaves/back spring
>
> All fine songs, are they not?
>
> NW1or2
>    ----- Original Message -----
>
>    From: Nigel Mackerras
>    To: blueplanes@st...net
>    Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:19 PM
>    Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] john langley (and rod, jane and freddy)
>
>
>    Sorry Mark, but I gotta agree with Nev. It's not that Rod's songs are
> that bad, it's that he has a good backing vocals voice, not a lead vocals
> voice. Maybe more weird instrumentals could break up the albums.
>
>    Then again, my favourite BA's guitarist is Nick Jacobs. Aaaah the
> feedback!
>
>    John Langley's drumming is inspirational (i.e. it's his fault that I 
> play
> drums ), and it's not the Aeros without him and Gerard. But I can't imagine
> them without Wotjek even though I know such gigs have occured.
>
>    Nigel (aPhil on the inside)
>
>
>    friends-- i'm glad we all agree on something: john langley is the
>    >greatest rock drummer alive.  the only drummer who had people lining
>    >up to hear his soundchecks.  and a sweet guy.
>    >
>    >as for the less-than-nice things said about rods:  please.  how many
>    >songs have you written?!
>    >
>    >cheers,
>    >
>    >mark helm
>
>
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