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Re: cavaliers


  • Subject: Re: cavaliers
  • From: "Tom Berry" <tom@be...cymru247.net>
  • Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:37:45 -0000

i can't see that cavaliers is nearly anywhere near the best that they've
done, in fact along with Bop Art I think it's the worst. Swagger/miracles &
friendloverplane are my best, but the former  I put down to Angelo and
Alex's influence who were, along with Gerard,in my humble opinion, the
musical creativity of the band.
I'm tempted by Shrewsbury due to family connections, and my birthday coming
up, but fuck me, I was singing raise the roof 3 years ago in a psychiatric
unit!!
Anyway, my favourite album of the year must be Athlete's vehicles and
animals. I'm not a big one for words/lyrics, (apart from 'you always hurt
the ones you love, but i don't think it's true...etc..)but for pure
catchiness from start to finish, that album has it.
Stuart, thanks for your support(!!!!) It's tough writing to the digest with
so many diehards-but when Bristol City are Crap-often, I tend to agree and
don't shout 'if you all hate rovers clap your hands'. I agree they are the
best live band in the world and I'm Bristolian, but do they/does he want
them to be the best band in the world?
Best
Tom





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>    4. Re: following on from what edward said (Nev's Hotmail)
>    5. Re: following on from what edward said (Philip Rush)
>    6. Re: following on from what edward said (Paul Vallis)
>    7. Re: following on from what edward said (Stuart Winfield)
>    8. RE: following on from what edward said (Steve Burt)
>    9. Re: following on from what edward said (Stuart Winfield)
>   10. RE: following on from what edward said (Paul Vallis)
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> From: "Tom Berry" <tom@be...cymru247.net>
> To: <blueplanes@st...net>
> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:17:06 -0000
> Subject: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
> Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
>
> This is all dead negative but......I tend to agree with you in your
> frustrations, Edward.-over releases, gigs and the web site. I think my
> expectations have always been to high when it comes to the aeroplanes. I
> became a fan about a 2 years before Swagger was released and managed to
> catch them at Ashton Court in '88, with a truly stunning set-mostly
spitting
> out miracles. As i remember nick jacobs, ruth cochrane, wojtek, angelo,
> Richard Bell, Gerard and Rodney coming on at the end.I'd never seen
anything
> like it before and won't ever again, for pure entertainment.- After which
> came the Swagger line-up.
> I've written to the band(no response), been to most of their gigs in
Bristol
> since '88, but this year I couldn't be bothered. I was very tempted by 
> the
> thought of Angelo playing, but as my better half said 'we've been to the
> last 3 or 4 at the fiddlers and fleece, ashton court etc and they are
always
> the same, still living off the glories of the early 90's'. I tended to
> agree.
> I don't know whether there were any live outings when the Larder sisters
> were in the band (Radon daughters), but I would have liked to have seen
them
> involved, something a bit different.
> In terms of  albums, I was desperately dissapointed with Cavaliers, which
> was shambolic and really didn't work 'live'. Record player was a much
better
> offering with some great riffs, despite the poor production quality.
> I don't think that the 'blue aeroplanes' actually exist anymore as a 
> band,
> with one gig a year. It seems to just be Gerard and whoever he can get
hold
> of at the time. God knows how he pays the bills, I wonder if he signs on?
> I do look forward to hearing the new (old) album, hope the productions
good
> and that there is more to come from the 'raise the roof' house of riffs.
> Finally, if I was in the band I would definately subcribe to this service
> and offer feed back to old cynics like myself, and offer people news that
> the website has sadly lacked. After all we're the paying punters! ( Pat
Fish
> suffers at the hands of my rambling emails, but always replies  and
> courteously! Now that's good customer service!!!)
> On a positive note (not for Suede fans) now that Suede are finished
perhaps
> Alex Lee might offer a helping hand in kick starting 2004?
> Sorry to go on,
> Tom
>
>
> >
> >    1. Aeroplanes (edward gay)
> >
> > -- __--__-- 
> >
> > Message: 1
> > From: "edward gay" <edwardgay@ho...com>
> > To: blueplanes@st...net
> > Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:05:05 +0000
> > Subject: [Blueplanes] Aeroplanes
> > Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
> >
> > <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>Went to see the
> aeroplanes at Fiddlers club on Fri 5th Dec.They were terrific although 
> the
> sound seemed slightly unbalanced in the first half.But "Breaking in my
> Heart" was a storming reminder of why theyre such a great band.I spoke to
> Rodney Allen before the gig and he informed me the band had recorded 
> loads
> of material but was unclear when any of it was going to be
> released,instructing me to ask Gerard which unfortunately I was unable to
> do.Its a shame for all us aeroplane fanatics that the band only release
> material on a highly irregular basis.I was told by Art Star as long ago 
> as
> March 2002 that an album's worth of material had been recorded and that
the
> band were touting the material around various distribution companies to
try
> and secure&nbsp; a British and American release.I remember watching Big
> World Cafe in 1990 during which the aeroplanes were being highlighted as
one
> of the bands to watch for the future.Their st!
> >  ar seemed to rise 92-94 and then dwindle with line up changes etc.Its
> still hard to believe theyve only released one CD of semi new
> material(Cavaliers) in 7 years&nbsp;</DIV></div><br
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> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:34:20 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
> From: Stuart Winfield <stuart@li...co.uk>
> To: <blueplanes@st...net>
> Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
>
> I hate to agree with you Tom, but if The Blue Aeroplanes had any good new
> material, surely we would of heard it by now - nobody has mentioned any
new
> songs emerging at the recent gig (likewise I avoided it). However it 
> would
> make my day if Gerard and co proved me wrong, their still the best band
> ever!
>
> Stuart W
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> From: "Paul Vallis" <paulvallis@ho...com>
> To: blueplanes@st...net
> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:20:39 +0000
> Subject: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
> Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
>
> <html><div style='background-color:'><P>As some of you will remember, I
interviewed Gerard on a local (Bristol) radio show back in the summer, and
have run into him a couple of times since.</P>
> <P>In the interview he described the Blue Aeroplanes as being like a
football team, where you have a squad and pick your team from whoever is
available and wants to play at the time (so that'll be a rather amateur
football team rather than a&nbsp;premier league set-up then!)&nbsp; The
album is evidently recorded, and we played a couple of tracks from it 
(Raise
the Roof High and Tree Full of Starlings), which sounded good (most of us
know how good raise the roof high is anyway) but unfortunately Gerard only
brought in one copy and took it away with him at the end, so any further
peeks into it didn't happen for me I'm afraid.</P>
> <P>I can recall one gig, at the Victoria Rooms I think, where the Larder
sisters were in the band.&nbsp; I think it was a charity gig topping the
bill with K-Passa, Spectrasonic and Hazel Winter (and maybe Rodney?) as
support.&nbsp; Dawn and Baz are evidently on some of the new album, and 
were
at the Fiddlers gig&nbsp;but only doing backing vocals on a few songs.</P>
> <P>Gerard said he was looking for a deal to release this album, but it
would seem that he hasn't managed to do so yet, and there must be a 
question
mark over any label, indie or otherwise, wanting to release an album by an
all but defunct band, who may still have a small fanatical following (pat
yourselves on the back, y'all).&nbsp; Whether there would be enough 
interest
elsewhere to make it worthwhile must be high in the mind of any record
company exec worth his bonus.</P>
> <P>The poor production on Record Player was down to some bizarre mixing
technique that Gerard talked about but I can't remember full details of, 
but
it involved mixing the original 24 track recordings down to 4 track via a
heath robinson system of leads and guitar pedals!</P>
> <P>Alex Lee did a Stranglelove retrospective gig with Patrick Duff in
Bristol on Friday, which I missed unfortunately but I did see Patrick play
some of his new solo stuff on Saturday night.&nbsp; There is evidently a
Strangelove retrospective album due out in the new year, so there is a
possibility that Alex will be working, but with Patrick and not Gerard!</P>
> <P>PV1</P>
> <P><BR><BR>&nbsp;</P>
> <P>From: "Tom Berry" <TOM@BE...CYMRU247.NET>Reply-To:
blueplanes@st...net To: <BLUEPLANES@ST...NET>Subject: [Blueplanes]
following on from what edward said Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:17:06 -0000
This is all dead negative but......I tend to agree with you in your
frustrations, Edward.-over releases, gigs and the web site. I think my
expectations have always been to high when it comes to the aeroplanes. I
became a fan about a 2 years before Swagger was released and managed to
catch them at Ashton Court in '88, with a truly stunning set-mostly 
spitting
out miracles. As i remember nick jacobs, ruth cochrane, wojtek, angelo,
Richard Bell, Gerard and Rodney coming on at the end.I'd never seen 
anything
like it before and won't ever again, for pure entertainment.- After which
came the Swagger line-up. I've written to the band(no response), been to
most of their gigs in Bristol since '88, but this year I couldn't be
bothered. I was very tempted by the thought of Angelo playing,!
>   but as my better half said 'we've been to the last 3 or 4 at the
fiddlers and fleece, ashton court etc and they are always the same, still
living off the glories of the early 90's'. I tended to agree. I don't know
whether there were any live outings when the Larder sisters were in the 
band
(Radon daughters), but I would have liked to have seen them involved,
something a bit different. In terms of albums, I was desperately
dissapointed with Cavaliers, which was shambolic and really didn't work
'live'. Record player was a much better offering with some great riffs,
despite the poor production quality. I don't think that the 'blue
aeroplanes' actually exist anymore as a band, with one gig a year. It seems
to just be Gerard and whoever he can get hold of at the time. God knows how
he pays the bills, I wonder if he signs on? I do look forward to hearing 
the
new (old) album, hope the productions good and that there is more to come
from the 'raise the roof' house of riffs. Finall!
>  y, if I was in the band I would definately subcribe to this service an
>
> d offer feed back to old cynics like myself, and offer people news that
the website has sadly lacked. After all we're the paying punters! ( Pat 
Fish
suffers at the hands of my rambling emails, but always replies and
courteously! Now that's good customer service!!!) On a positive note (not
for Suede fans) now that Suede are finished perhaps Alex Lee might offer a
helping hand in kick starting 2004? </P>
> <P>Sorry to go on, Tom &gt; &gt; 1. Aeroplanes (edward gay) &gt; &gt; -- 
__--__--  &gt; &gt; Message: 1 &gt; From: "edward gay"
<EDWARDGAY@HO...COM>&gt; To: blueplanes@st...net &gt; Date: Fri, 19
Dec 2003 15:05:05 +0000 &gt; Subject: [Blueplanes] Aeroplanes &gt; 
Reply-To:
blueplanes@st...net &gt; &gt; </P>
> <DIV>
> <DIV class=RTE>Went to see the aeroplanes at Fiddlers club on Fri 5th
Dec.They were terrific although the sound seemed slightly unbalanced in the
first half.But "Breaking in my Heart" was a storming reminder of why theyre
such a great band.I spoke to Rodney Allen before the gig and he informed me
the band had recorded loads of material but was unclear when any of it was
going to be released,instructing me to ask Gerard which unfortunately I was
unable to do.Its a shame for all us aeroplane fanatics that the band only
release material on a highly irregular basis.I was told by Art Star as long
ago as March 2002 that an album's worth of material had been recorded and
that the band were touting the material around various distribution
companies to try and secure&nbsp; a British and American release.I remember
watching Big World Cafe in 1990 during which the aeroplanes were being
highlighted as one of the bands to watch for the future.Their st! &gt; ar
seemed to rise 92-94 and th!
>  en dwindle with line up changes etc.Its still hard to believe theyve 
> only
released one CD of semi new material(Cavaliers) in 7 
years&nbsp;</DIV></DIV>
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> Message: 4
> From: "Nev's Hotmail" <nevstreet@ho...com>
> To: <blueplanes@st...net>
> Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:29:39 -0000
> Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
>
>
> Unashamed plug here.. but if you've got some questions for Gerard that
need
> answering then come see them play at the Buttermarket, Shrewsbury - 22
Jan.
> I'm running the show so back stage passes are on me folks!
>
> Seasons greetings Blueplaners.
>
> Neville
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart Winfield" <stuart@li...co.uk>
> To: <blueplanes@st...net>
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
>
>
> > I hate to agree with you Tom, but if The Blue Aeroplanes had any good
new
> > material, surely we would of heard it by now - nobody has mentioned any
> new
> > songs emerging at the recent gig (likewise I avoided it). However it
would
> > make my day if Gerard and co proved me wrong, their still the best band
> > ever!
> >
> > Stuart W
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:01:06 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
> From: Philip Rush <philip_rush@ye...fsnet.co.uk>
> To: blueplanes@st...net
> Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
>
> Well, in my opinion 'Cavaliers' is one of the best things they've done:
>   nice collage effect, good singing, good guitar playing, interesting
> lyrics.  Good stuff.  And surely it's well enough recorded.  Not sure
> about the second disc there, though, which is a bit sketchy.  Isn't it?
>
> "Cavaliers' itself though, as I say, is ace.  I love that kind of
> linking of material, and the last track is really very beautiful.
>
> Saw the Blue Aeroplanes with the Larder sisters in some pub near the
> docks some years ago and the material was definitely different from the
> more recent greatest hits packages.  I also quite liked the anti-pretty
> stage presence.
>
> Although I know nothing about releasing material and record companies,
> I do know that CDs themselves are very cheap and that 'burning' them
> can be done in short, sharp bursts.  Gone are the days of 'masters' and
> disc-cutting.  Therefore I really don't understand why an outfit like
> the BAs can't produce an edition of maybe a thousand themselves (I mean
> 1000 CDs at 30p each (plus copying) is surely a sound investment when
> you can sell them for £12).  Am I missing something here?  Is there
> some huge recording debt that someone wants cleared?
>
> Surely  the quick sales of so many CDs by the band themselves might
> prompt a small label to go for it.  I don't know.  It just seems odd
> that you make an album and then don't let anyone hear it.  That is odd,
> isn't it?
>
> Philip the Fifth
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: "Paul Vallis" <paulvallis@ho...com>
> To: blueplanes@st...net
> Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:29:37 +0000
> Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
>
> <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>
> <P>I think when people whinge about Cavaliers its usually about the 2nd
CD, not the first.&nbsp; The first is very short, and the whole package
could probably have been shoehorned onto a single CD, but I think that
Cavaliers was seen as a separate piece of work to be listened to on its
own.&nbsp; It evidently started life as a track destined for this currently
unreleased album that we've been going on about, but it expanded into
something that was too big and that didn't really fit in any more, so 
Gerard
released it separately.&nbsp; I could do with giving it another listen, I
must admit. But some of CD2 was, in my humble, not releasable quality.</P>
> <P>"Some pub near the docks" sounds like the Fleece.&nbsp; Can't recall
ever seeing them there with Dawn &amp; Baz, but I know I missed at least 
one
Fleece gig in recent years.</P>
> <P>Gerard set up (with someone else, I believe)&nbsp;the&nbsp;Artstar
Record label and released Record Player and the Radon Daughters "Glow"
(which is very good indeed), so why he doesn't bring it out on that label
and just sort out a distribution deal I don't know.&nbsp; Maybe needing a
bit more to finance it than he has at his disposal.&nbsp; Having chatted
with ex-plane Hazel Winter about her new album, for which she set up her 
own
record company, it ain't easy and it ain't all that cheap either, although
at least with the Aeroplanes there is a bit of history and goodwill 
attached
to the name, which would help oil the wheels of publicity.</P>
> <P>The recording has been done in dribs and drabs over the past 5 or so
years I think, so I would assume that its been paid for as its been done,
but there could be outstanding debts too.</P>
> <P>PV1<BR><BR></P></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>From: Philip Rush <PHILIP_RUSH@YE...FSNET.CO.UK>
> <DIV></DIV>Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
> <DIV></DIV>To: blueplanes@st...net
> <DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
> <DIV></DIV>Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:01:06 +0000
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>Well, in my opinion 'Cavaliers' is one of the best things
they've done:&nbsp;&nbsp;nice collage effect, good singing, good guitar
playing, interesting lyrics.&nbsp;&nbsp;Good stuff.&nbsp;&nbsp;And surely
it's well enough recorded.&nbsp;&nbsp;Not sure about the second disc there,
though, which is a bit sketchy.&nbsp;&nbsp;Isn't it?
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>"Cavaliers' itself though, as I say, is ace.&nbsp;&nbsp;I love
that kind of linking of material, and the last track is really very
beautiful.
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>Saw the Blue Aeroplanes with the Larder sisters in some pub
near the docks some years ago and the material was definitely different 
from
the more recent greatest hits packages.&nbsp;&nbsp;I also quite liked the
anti-pretty stage presence.
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>Although I know nothing about releasing material and record
companies, I do know that CDs themselves are very cheap and that 'burning'
them can be done in short, sharp bursts.&nbsp;&nbsp;Gone are the days of
'masters' and disc-cutting.&nbsp;&nbsp;Therefore I really don't understand
why an outfit like the BAs can't produce an edition of maybe a thousand
themselves (I mean 1000 CDs at 30p each (plus copying) is surely a sound
investment when you can sell them for £12).&nbsp;&nbsp;Am I missing
something here?&nbsp;&nbsp;Is there some huge recording debt that someone
wants cleared?
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>Surely&nbsp;&nbsp;the quick sales of so many CDs by the band
themselves might prompt a small label to go for it.&nbsp;&nbsp;I don't
know.&nbsp;&nbsp;It just seems odd that you make an album and then don't 
let
anyone hear it.&nbsp;&nbsp;That is odd, isn't it?
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>Philip the Fifth
> <DIV></DIV>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:29:04 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
> From: Stuart Winfield <stuart@li...co.uk>
> To: <blueplanes@st...net>
> Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
>
> I doubt that a record company could sell 1000 copies of something like
> Caveliers, let alone the BAs on their own - 1 gig a year, no website, no
> information what so ever really.
>
> I wish Gerard all the luck in the world getting a deal, however he might
do
> better with some PR and a fan only release via e-mail/website.
>
> Stuart W
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> From: "Steve Burt" <steve@pk...com>
> To: <blueplanes@st...net>
> Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:57:59 -0000
> Organization: PK Print
> Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
>
> I seem to recall a similar situation many years ago when John Martyn
> could not get a label interested
> and so released his albums (before cd's) from his home. Not sure how
> successful this was, but he is still around and to critical acclaim.
> I also remember buying a 12" single mail order from somewhere in Ireland
> that The Aeroplanes produced
>  several years back -which I think I gave to Phil Hendry. It can be done
> people.
>
> Everybody have a very splendid christmas
>
> Steve B
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: blueplanes-admin@st...net [mailto:blueplanes-admin@st...net]
> On Behalf Of Stuart Winfield
> Sent: 22 December 2003 11:29
> To: blueplanes@st...net
> Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
>
>
> I doubt that a record company could sell 1000 copies of something like
> Caveliers, let alone the BAs on their own - 1 gig a year, no website, no
> information what so ever really.
>
> I wish Gerard all the luck in the world getting a deal, however he might
> do better with some PR and a fan only release via e-mail/website.
>
> Stuart W
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:50:29 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
> From: Stuart Winfield <stuart@li...co.uk>
> To: <blueplanes@st...net>
> Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
>
> I doubt that a record company could sell 1000 copies of something like
> Caveliers, let alone the BAs on their own - 1 gig a year, no website, no
> information what so ever really.
>
> I wish Gerard all the luck in the world getting a deal, however he might
do
> better with some PR and a fan only release via e-mail/website.
>
> Stuart W
>
>
>
> --__--__--
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> Message: 10
> From: "Paul Vallis" <paulvallis@ho...com>
> To: blueplanes@st...net
> Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:05:32 +0000
> Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
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> <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>
> <P>I think there are quite a few artists, particularly&nbsp;ones&nbsp;who
shall we say have been around for a little while and&nbsp;whose more 
popular
times are behind them,&nbsp;who have decided to bring everything in-house
and do it all themselves via the web and independent distributors.&nbsp;
There are other artists, like Ani DiFranco, who have done it all themselves
from scratch, so it can be done.</P>
> <P>It would entail getting that bl**dy website up and running again
though!</P>
> <P>PV1<BR><BR></P></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>From: "Steve Burt" <STEVE@PK...COM>
> <DIV></DIV>Reply-To: blueplanes@st...net
> <DIV></DIV>To: <BLUEPLANES@ST...NET>
> <DIV></DIV>Subject: RE: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
> <DIV></DIV>Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:57:59 -0000
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>I seem to recall a similar situation many years ago when John
Martyn
> <DIV></DIV>could not get a label interested
> <DIV></DIV>and so released his albums (before cd's) from his home. Not
sure how
> <DIV></DIV>successful this was, but he is still around and to critical
acclaim.
> <DIV></DIV>I also remember buying a 12" single mail order from somewhere
in Ireland
> <DIV></DIV>that The Aeroplanes produced
> <DIV></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;several years back -which I think I gave to Phil
Hendry. It can be done
> <DIV></DIV>people.
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>Everybody have a very splendid christmas
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>Steve B
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;-----Original Message----- 
> <DIV></DIV>From: blueplanes-admin@st...net
[mailto:blueplanes-admin@st...net]
> <DIV></DIV>On Behalf Of Stuart Winfield
> <DIV></DIV>Sent: 22 December 2003 11:29
> <DIV></DIV>To: blueplanes@st...net
> <DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Blueplanes] following on from what edward said
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>I doubt that a record company could sell 1000 copies of
something like
> <DIV></DIV>Caveliers, let alone the BAs on their own - 1 gig a year, no
website, no
> <DIV></DIV>information what so ever really.
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>I wish Gerard all the luck in the world getting a deal, 
> however
he might
> <DIV></DIV>do better with some PR and a fan only release via
e-mail/website.
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>Stuart W
> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV>
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